Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:11 pm
how can you say it's not?CHARLIE! wrote:How has noone mentioned that the feature set he posted is unreal if it is actually true.
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:11 pm
it is unreal, hopefully not literally. hard to imagine that folks like AKAI, Roland, etc have been around for many, many years and it took them that long to get where they are now, technology-wise. and Roger Linn/Dave Smith, two geniuses, have been working and reworking the LinnDrum for as long as they have - and then this handful of ex-sales reps/beat makers/whatever come out of nowhere and develop something so far ahead? hey, stranger things have happened but only time will tell. i'll believe it when i see it. they're at NAMM supposedly with a working model so we'll see.CHARLIE! wrote:How has noone mentioned that the feature set he posted is unreal if it is actually true.
making hardware is EXPENSIVE. i just can't see these guyz walking into a venture capital meeting trying to pitch this thing with all the "thangz" and "kangz" and "bangin' ass soundz" and a dude in a suit going "you've struck oil! here's a blank check."
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:18 pm
tjwett wrote:it is unreal, hopefully not literally. hard to imagine that folks like AKAI, Roland, etc have been around for many, many years and it took them that long to get where they are now, technology-wise. and Roger Linn/Dave Smith, two geniuses, have been working and reworking the LinnDrum for as long as they have - and then this handful of ex-sales reps/beat makers/whatever come out of nowhere and develop something so far ahead? hey, stranger things have happened but only time will tell. i'll believe it when i see it. they're at NAMM supposedly with a working model so we'll see.CHARLIE! wrote:How has noone mentioned that the feature set he posted is unreal if it is actually true.
making hardware is EXPENSIVE. i just can't see these guyz walking into a venture capital meeting trying to pitch this thing with all the "thangz" and "kangz" and "bangin' ass soundz" and a dude in a suit going "you've struck oil! here's a blank check."
Haha fair enough, but sometimes those big time companies are stuck in their ways. I think it often takes a small developer to put together sometimes obvious features that the big guys forget. Also a lot of times the big guys are just competing with the industry standards and are slower to push forward due to large infrastructure.
I mean this is based on not seeing the product in action and I have first hand experienced what it is like to buy a first gen product from a company new in the game. (I bought one of the first ASUS laptops a few years ago and it had some problems).
We shall see I suppose.
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:19 pm
have they actually made one? all the pics and videos are just 3d renders, is there any proof that this physically exists in working form?
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:22 pm
there's a single photo on the website of them and some old white guy holding one, looks real enough. other than that, they say there will be a working one at NAMM but that's it AFAIK.adventurepants_ wrote:have they actually made one? all the pics and videos are just 3d renders, is there any proof that this physically exists in working form?
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:27 pm
anyone can make a mockup of anything. it seems odd they dont have any video of it working, if they had a working one to promote!tjwett wrote:there's a single photo on the website of them and some old white guy holding one, looks real enough. other than that, they say there will be a working one at NAMM but that's it AFAIK.adventurepants_ wrote:have they actually made one? all the pics and videos are just 3d renders, is there any proof that this physically exists in working form?
this whole thing is too funny.
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:27 pm
hey anything is possible. i bought Live v1 as soon as it came out when Ableton was a very tiny new kid on the block and there was about 20 of us on this forum. it took a while for them to become an industry standard, they'd probably tell you they are still far from that goal too in the grand scheme of things. who knows. the way they are marketing this thing seems way too narrow to survive. you can't generate mass appeal with tunnel vision. and you can't sustain a hardware company without mass appeal. well, on second thought, Elektron are a alive and kicking. but that's a more boutique market. eh fuck my point.CHARLIE! wrote:tjwett wrote:it is unreal, hopefully not literally. hard to imagine that folks like AKAI, Roland, etc have been around for many, many years and it took them that long to get where they are now, technology-wise. and Roger Linn/Dave Smith, two geniuses, have been working and reworking the LinnDrum for as long as they have - and then this handful of ex-sales reps/beat makers/whatever come out of nowhere and develop something so far ahead? hey, stranger things have happened but only time will tell. i'll believe it when i see it. they're at NAMM supposedly with a working model so we'll see.CHARLIE! wrote:How has noone mentioned that the feature set he posted is unreal if it is actually true.
making hardware is EXPENSIVE. i just can't see these guyz walking into a venture capital meeting trying to pitch this thing with all the "thangz" and "kangz" and "bangin' ass soundz" and a dude in a suit going "you've struck oil! here's a blank check."
Haha fair enough, but sometimes those big time companies are stuck in their ways. I think it often takes a small developer to put together sometimes obvious features that the big guys forget. Also a lot of times the big guys are just competing with the industry standards and are slower to push forward due to large infrastructure.
I mean this is based on not seeing the product in action and I have first hand experienced what it is like to buy a first gen product from a company new in the game. (I bought one of the first ASUS laptops a few years ago and it had some problems).
We shall see I suppose.
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:35 pm
on paper it could be a fun little box. i love hardware, so the more the merrier.
for some reason this just trips my bullshit meter, they dont seem to behave like a company that has millions of dollars to invest in developing a product like this. its almost like they are trying to create a buzz with their mockups to attract some venture capital.
and guess whats built in? awesome!
"Mastering with 4 band eq and brick wall limiting with gain control"
i nearly forgot the champ of the specs
"2 Screw holes so it Swangz from a chain"
hey what do i know? its not as if ive ever tried to produce hardware, more power to em!
for some reason this just trips my bullshit meter, they dont seem to behave like a company that has millions of dollars to invest in developing a product like this. its almost like they are trying to create a buzz with their mockups to attract some venture capital.
and guess whats built in? awesome!
"Mastering with 4 band eq and brick wall limiting with gain control"
i nearly forgot the champ of the specs
"2 Screw holes so it Swangz from a chain"
hey what do i know? its not as if ive ever tried to produce hardware, more power to em!
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:40 pm
That little movie told me all I needed to know in about the product by letting me know that destroying there local environment came before showing the dam thing. I guess you could play Street Fighter or buy this thing. Or hey just go down the street in your local neighbourhood and destroy some of your neighbours property by smashing it with huge chains on your fists or hey I could even just throw a garbage can through your window. Shit is has been so long since I threw a garbage can through my neighbours window what a blast that was 
I love anything that helps support the idea that being a total thug/idiot/asshole is something to aspire to.
And last but not least......
OVER 3000 BANGIN ASS SOUNDS
PLATINUM HIT PRESET BEATS
And I could not pass this one up
"More top Secret Features and Surprises that we dont want our sleezy, thieving corporate competitors to know.... but we'll tell ya soon!"
Brilliant! FUCK THE SYSTEM! Cause AKAI is out to GET YA! WATCH OUT THE AKAI CREW IS GONNA GET YA WITH DEM AK'S
That site is the best "worst" thing I have seen product wise in many many years.
I love anything that helps support the idea that being a total thug/idiot/asshole is something to aspire to.
And last but not least......
OVER 3000 BANGIN ASS SOUNDS
PLATINUM HIT PRESET BEATS
And I could not pass this one up
"More top Secret Features and Surprises that we dont want our sleezy, thieving corporate competitors to know.... but we'll tell ya soon!"
Brilliant! FUCK THE SYSTEM! Cause AKAI is out to GET YA! WATCH OUT THE AKAI CREW IS GONNA GET YA WITH DEM AK'S
That site is the best "worst" thing I have seen product wise in many many years.
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:18 pm
too funny, this is their spiel on futureproducers.com
BeatKangz wrote:
"As for the marketing. We are who we are and make no apology for that..... We are going after Akai because they came to our studio, blew smoke up our a$$, got us to trust them and then tried to steal our idea with the xr 20. They Even jacked some our sounds so its very personal. They took food out of my son's mouth at a time we were really struggling just trying to make ends meat....... So now its war. It was either 187 or find a way to build a machine. They should be glad we found a way to do it where they could at least not have to die. This aint no game to us. A man who has just had his dream stolen and has no money to provide for his fam is a very dangerous serious person.
Imagine having one of your best songs stolen by a major artist when you have a baby on the way.... "
Akai must be so relieved the Beatkangz found a way to not have them die.
BeatKangz wrote:
"As for the marketing. We are who we are and make no apology for that..... We are going after Akai because they came to our studio, blew smoke up our a$$, got us to trust them and then tried to steal our idea with the xr 20. They Even jacked some our sounds so its very personal. They took food out of my son's mouth at a time we were really struggling just trying to make ends meat....... So now its war. It was either 187 or find a way to build a machine. They should be glad we found a way to do it where they could at least not have to die. This aint no game to us. A man who has just had his dream stolen and has no money to provide for his fam is a very dangerous serious person.
Imagine having one of your best songs stolen by a major artist when you have a baby on the way.... "
Akai must be so relieved the Beatkangz found a way to not have them die.
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:29 pm
some things to ponder on while you're up there
1.how many of you play video games or bought video games for your kids and still found yourself overly offended by that michael jackson esk video
(destroying property with chains haha)
2. it's not real until it's real but they've already put out product through zoom, so I'm assuming that they aren't backing themselves although they could be it would still be smarter to let zoom a company that already believed in you and did business with you successfuly to do the backing for them.
3. seems like it's getting hotter in here the closer it gets to 1-20-09.....relax
1.how many of you play video games or bought video games for your kids and still found yourself overly offended by that michael jackson esk video
(destroying property with chains haha)
2. it's not real until it's real but they've already put out product through zoom, so I'm assuming that they aren't backing themselves although they could be it would still be smarter to let zoom a company that already believed in you and did business with you successfuly to do the backing for them.
3. seems like it's getting hotter in here the closer it gets to 1-20-09.....relax
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:32 pm
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:48 pm
vaporware. funny thing is that there's a large chance their phat beats weren't made on that machine, otherwise, just show a video playing with that beat. the lightshow is bullshit, simple code running on the microcontroller turning LEDs on and off, that's about as simple as it gets and shows nothing about it actually working.
student, I can't follow your post, what are you talking about?
1. Michael Jackson and video games?? what??
2. you don't sound convinced yourself. Zoom hasn't demonstrated anything as far as this thing working.
3. NAMM is the 15th, not the 20th.
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:48 pm
its not the vaporware aspect thats funny, its the PR style.
what happens if i buy one and dont like it, and they cant find a way to not have to kill me?
what happens if i buy one and dont like it, and they cant find a way to not have to kill me?
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:02 am
now ^that was funnyadventurepants_ wrote:its not the vaporware aspect thats funny, its the PR style.
what happens if i buy one and dont like it, and they cant find a way to not have to kill me?
@ td, you know the video with mikey getting his gangster on and beating up that car