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Meef Chaloin wrote:I don't really understand how the synching thing works, is it calculated from transients or something? So for instance if I played a one note drone and looped it how would ableton know what the tempo was?

Looks like a great device but it seems like there could be some shortcomings with it.

maybe it uses transients, but the easiest way to calculate tempo is just using the length of the loop. that has room for error, but i am sure it will favor mid range tempos

Meef Chaloin wrote:I don't really understand how the synching thing works, is it calculated from transients or something? So for instance if I played a one note drone and looped it how would ableton know what the tempo was?

Looks like a great device but it seems like there could be some shortcomings with it.

After the first loop is recorded the bpm of the set is probably calculated by dividing the duration of this loop by the number of beats in the time signature, probably with one or two options.

yeah i can't say thanks enough for this. can't wait to try it out.

only requires 1 pedal well, hell what am i gonna do with the other 9 pedals on the FCB 1010

You could give them to me. I'm always in need of a free pedal

Surreal wrote:

Meef Chaloin wrote:I don't really understand how the synching thing works, is it calculated from transients or something? So for instance if I played a one note drone and looped it how would ableton know what the tempo was?

Looks like a great device but it seems like there could be some shortcomings with it.

maybe it uses transients, but the easiest way to calculate tempo is just using the length of the loop. that has room for error, but i am sure it will favor mid range tempos

It syncs in the same way any clip syncs in session view. You can trigger a recording either quantized or with no quantization at all.
If the first thing you do is recording a loop, the tempo of your Live set will be set according to the length of that first loop.

so whats the pedal hes using in the vid?
I want one ! Any links to the pedal?

hoffman2k wrote: It syncs in the same way any clip syncs in session view. You can trigger a recording either quantized or with no quantization at all.
If the first thing you do is recording a loop, the tempo of your Live set will be set according to the length of that first loop.

But how does the looper know that I'm playing 1 bar or 5 bars, 8 or 16? Surely 5 bars could be an equal length to 2 bars at a different tempo, for example, causing live to get the tempo wrong?

ebowla wrote:so whats the pedal hes using in the vid?
I want one ! Any links to the pedal?

Looks like a standard piano sustain pedal.

bencodec wrote:yeah i can't say thanks enough for this. can't wait to try it out.

only requires 1 pedal well, hell what am i gonna do with the other 9 pedals on the FCB 1010

Sell it and buy a simple footswitch, the APC40 has room for two



Everything is just falling into place so nicely with this version of live, MTL, APC, looks like the era of workarounds is over, for me at least.

Like this maybe?

http://www.dv247.com/invt/13373/

I use this one with my control pad, shoudl work fine.

http://www.dv247.com/invt/6356/

That all you need, I got one free with a Vamp 2 a few years back, use it with my Bitstream ATM.

I fucking LOVe this little critter, supremely cool action, very quick, and not hard like the "stomp" type from Roland, for instance. internal polarity switch thing.

http://www.dv247.com/invt/4858/

Meef Chaloin wrote:

hoffman2k wrote: It syncs in the same way any clip syncs in session view. You can trigger a recording either quantized or with no quantization at all.
If the first thing you do is recording a loop, the tempo of your Live set will be set according to the length of that first loop.

But how does the looper know that I'm playing 1 bar or 5 bars, 8 or 16? Surely 5 bars could be an equal length to 2 bars at a different tempo, for example, causing live to get the tempo wrong?

The thing is - it CAN get it wrong, as really there's no foolproof way of determining what you are thinking of as you play one 4 second burst of notes. Was that 120 bpm , 60 bpm ? 240 bpm ?

It just makes a good guess at it. It's really intended to get you up and running in a freeform manner, I think it's not appropriate if you are just going to play 32 bars of improve and then segue into your languid pre-prepared breaks. Because, of course, if you were intending to bring in a pre-made bassline or some loop underneath then there could be problems if they leap in at 240 bpm under your mid-tempo loop.
In that case (where you are going to segue into pre-made material) I personally would approach the performance differently anyway. I would start with a visual interpretation of the tempo basis as it exists and then play along to that - and then bring in the pre-constructed elements (clips/samples/etc)

handily the Live Looper has a f'ing huge beat display so you can see where you are at in the bar, even if you can't hear it. I tend to use headphones and a click for this stuff - but the big visual indication is a reaaaaly handy backup.

so lets say your a guitarist like me and you have an interface with no midi say and no midi footswitch or midi keyboard controller .Is there still a pedal out there that will do it say a usb pedal?
that way i dont have to bring my ozonic or borrow my dads m audio sustain pedal

ebowla wrote:so lets say your a guitarist like me and you have an interface with no midi say and no midi footswitch or midi keyboard controller .Is there still a pedal out there that will do it say a usb pedal?
that way i dont have to bring my ozonic or borrow my dads m audio sustain pedal

you can get applications that turn any USB device input into a keystroke. you could get hold of a game controller and use that if you liked. Then map the 'keystroke'.

In the past I have controlled Live by using a USB skateboard game controller.

ok digging the yamaha and roland units .thanks guys goin to guitar center in a few .major gas going on here since the namm announcements .Tweeking hard for a real tube guitar amp with nice tone and cheap price .
This heads 3 bill new and makes me shit when i hear this youtube clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQjADxog0Es

straight into the head . I want to track thru a tube amp and guitar rig simultaneously.