Ableton Forum

saddam whosayin? wrote:teo macero is one of the great "electronica" producers
up there with king tubby and eno in my book for godfather status

listen to the records he produced for miles closely
edits, looping, ill-ass effects...
on big fun there are tracks where it sounds like 2 drumers playing together
its teo's switcher box- some kind of custom panner he had made

his ear for how electonic and acoustic textures work together is unmatched
in my book

Yeah!!!!!!!!!

peeddrroo wrote:

WebSite! wrote: we use prerecorded loops (drums, piano loops...) and samples that are triggered (sax solos, cimbals...). we are messing them up with all sorts of VSTs (granular stuff, suppatrigga...). double bass player is doing the rest

well, that's interesting...
i really wonder if i would consider it as jazz, you know, if i just saw you at a festival without knowing you...
the thing is that i don't have an idea how it sounds...

it sounds like... hm... maybe if you try to mix Manitoba and Cinematic Orchestra...? i don't know...

anyway, i'm surprised you don't dig jazz from the 70s (fusion), because there could be some things in common with your music.

70s, yes. late 70s (fusion), i don't think so... but i'm sure i missed a few records from that period of time.
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this debate happens quite a bit. there are those that accept even Squarepusher as jazz and then those that think that anything made after 1972 is just shit. having grew up listening to and studying jazz i walked away from it all with the opinion that jazz is most importantly a state of mind, or at least a state of direction. not to sound like a hippy but meaning that at its most basic it is heavily reliant on the concept of the "group", all moving together in a common direction. all while exploiting the freedom of improvisation and everyone's individual "sound". that's my take on it anyway. i don't ever lock anyone out of my idea of jazz. people shit on Weather Report but it's hard to deny that they were an assembly of some of the finest JAZZ musicians ever. even Squarepusher; he's a studied jazz drummer (so is his dad i believe) and a hell of a fretless player. no matter what instruments he uses in the compositions the raw element is always there in some way. some even consider DJ Spooky a jazz musician. i think that's fine too. i think it's all about the sum of all the parts and the idea behind it more than chord progressions and taking solos and what year it is.

i gotta say

miles davis: kind of blue, bitches brew
herbie hancock: headhunters
coltrane: giant steps

My absolute favorite is:

MONEY JUNGLE - Ellington, Mingus, and Roach.

absolutely amazing!

hitherto wrote:My absolute favorite is:

MONEY JUNGLE - Ellington, Mingus, and Roach.

absolutely amazing!

yeah!!! this one is absolutely amazing
two youngsters/punksters and the old(er) cat.
my friend has this record, but unfortunately i couldn't find it enywhere else . this one is always on my list of "to buy" records .

yeah, when you listen to money jungle, you can feel that these 3 guys are having a really good time.
very spontaneous music.

the 'ellington meets coltrane' album is also a very good one. these guys really listen to each other.

Free Jazz.

As in, let it out its prison of soloist masturbation and show-off mentality.

Free Jazz again!

-Paws

jazz escaped that prison long ago
but heavy metal...
turntablism...
and a large percentage of "laptop" musicians
are still in there

i'm having such a good time listening again and again to Mingus' "OH YEAH" that i thought i'd bring up this topic.
this record is full of energy, blues, positiveness, soul, and weirdness...
love it!
check out "devil woman"...

saddam whosayin? wrote:jazz escaped that prison long ago
and a large percentage of "laptop" musicians
are still in there

naw, it's just that most electronic musicians wouldn't know musicality if it slapped 'em with pad of sheet music paper...

-Paws