Samplitude user disses Live as 'shit for mixing in' at GS

[kb420]

A lot of that may have something to do with the users of those programs.

[diskowipe]

this is the other problem...

people with over a thousand posts on a message board who can take the time to make/edit huge pictures like that just to post on internet forums in threads like these

why not spend that time and learn that there is more out there for audio/music than ableton live? Or better yet, dont make thousands of posts on the internet and work those extra hours in your studio...

or better yet. just keep making pictures so the next time a artists like Ricardo gives his opinion on this topic. you have something to make everyone that also has over a thousand posts on ableton.com laugh at how much Villalobos sucks and how bad his music is

[davepermen]

There are thousands of negative threads about abletons "sound quality" all over the internet and not a single one about Logic, Nuendo, Samplitude or whatever else. Isn't that proof enough?

no, because when ever something is hip in the internet, it generates a meme. like facepalm, see above. ableton was once worse => it was hip to bash => it still is, even if it might be untrue by now.

other typical things:
apple hail
microsoft hatres
win7 hail
vista hatres

etc. lots of people just continue to follow random statements. statements get put out of proportion. some random accidental worst case gets, trough the web, made the "default case that happens to everybody", while it's completely untrue.

the web loves big stories and it loves to hang on them even after their truth might long be gone.

other htan that, just because you state that right now, are you SURE? have you followed all topics about bad sound quality, checked on why they where (might have been soundcard related, warping related, bad sample related, etc). maybe your statement that there are none about cubase and such are simply untrue?

then again, who cares? live sounds great for me, but i don't use such external plugins. might be that? might be just the external plugin thing that has a problem, at least in your case.

[diskowipe]

ok, well villalobos in that interview said "many times the sound engine itself is playing a large role in the end product" that is not really to hard to take out of context, it's pretty direct

according to the logic of this forum, villalobos must be smoking crack

but if you read that thread, it's all people with 5,000 posts on here and no link to their own music saying how boring his tracks are

come on people, wake up

[kb420]

this is the other problem...

people with over a thousand posts on a message board who can take the time to make/edit huge pictures like that just to post on internet forums in threads like these

why not spend that time and learn that there is more out there for audio/music than ableton live? Or better yet, dont make thousands of posts on the internet and work those extra hours in your studio...

or better yet. just keep making pictures so the next time a artists like Ricardo gives his opinion on this topic. you have something to make everyone that also has over a thousand posts on ableton.com laugh at how much Villalobos sucks and how bad his music is

I didn't make that photo. I saw it on another forum, but I liked it and it seems to fit this topic.

I use more than just Live. I use Sonar 8 as well as Pro Tools 8. This argument is as old as can be. Sonar's forums did this a few years ago when version 5 was released and they went with the 64 bit float. People swore they could tell the difference between the 32 bit and 64 bit floats. This argument went on for months, and guess what, those that said they could hear a difference were right. There was something in the new code for verson 5's 64 bit float that was behaving like an exciter. It was proved with a simple sine wave and a null test in Sound Forge.

The point I am trying to make is that until you can prove it, I have to conclude that it's just placebo. I have often heard people saying that you can't make a decent mix in Reason, but I've heard perfect mixes in Reason. Just check some of the demo songs.

I'm a firm believer in the old saying, "It's not what you use, but how you use it."

[Tone Deft]

/pokes diskowipe with a stick.

[diskowipe]

this is the other problem...

people with over a thousand posts on a message board who can take the time to make/edit huge pictures like that just to post on internet forums in threads like these

why not spend that time and learn that there is more out there for audio/music than ableton live? Or better yet, dont make thousands of posts on the internet and work those extra hours in your studio...

or better yet. just keep making pictures so the next time a artists like Ricardo gives his opinion on this topic. you have something to make everyone that also has over a thousand posts on ableton.com laugh at how much Villalobos sucks and how bad his music is

I didn't make that photo. I saw it on another forum, but I liked it and it seems to fit this topic.

I use more than just Live. I use Sonar 8 as well as Pro Tools 8. This argument is as old as can be. Sonar's forums did this a few years ago when version 5 was released and they went with the 64 bit float. People swore they could tell the difference between the 32 bit and 64 bit floats. This argument went on for months, and guess what, those that said they could hear a difference were right. There was something in the new code for verson 5's 64 bit float that was behaving like an exciter. It was proved with a simple sine wave and a null test in Sound Forge.

The point I am trying to make is that until you can prove it, I have to conclude that it's just placebo. I have often heard people saying that you can't make a decent mix in Reason, but I've heard perfect mixes in Reason. Just check some of the demo songs.

I'm a firm believer in the old saying, "It's not what you use, but how you use it."

no offense man but you profile says you like NFL football, i cannot be having this conversation with you anymore

you obviously havent read the more prudent parts of this thread (live not being sample accurate) and are just viewing it as, one is better than the other...

"its not what you use but how you use it" = cliche bullshit from internet forum junkies who dont really make music

[diskowipe]

/pokes diskowipe with a stick.

tone deft = over 18,000 posts

[Tone Deft]

totally predictable.

[leedsquietman]

Samplitude does not 'smoke' anything else out there.

For a period of time between maybe 1999-2002 it had a better audio engine. So correctional bias is in play here. Everyone has upgraded their audio engine at least twice since then.

I have used Samplitude/Sequoia, PTHD, Sonar, DP, Logic, Cubase, Reason and Live. Live sounds fine for mixing in and if you can't make it sound good, the fault lies with YOU not the software. Logic (since v8), Cubase (since SX), Sonar are all sample accurate engines. Same audio file, same fader, same pan law = THE SAME. I admit that I mostly work in Cubase, Logic and PTHD but I've used Samplitude and DP enough times to have an opinion.

Why Samplitude sounds better - plugins. I wouldn't debate that Samplitude has some very nice plugins which can enhance a mix if used carefully, but that is not part of the debate and besides, many people buy nice 3rd party plugins which can be even better anyway. I'm talking raw audio data here and in such circumstances, nulling tests are a valid test. I sincerely doubt that anyone in a blind test would pick Samplitude time after time.

And it's only users of Samplitude and SAW studio who keep making claims that 'my DAW sounds best'. I don't see Protools, Sonar, Cubase or Logic users making these claims, and their products stack up just fine.

If you want a better sound, get better mic pres, better converters and maybe upgrade a few pieces of gear, i.e. you're using a budget mic, try and get a better mic etc. This might lead to better sound. Just changing your DAW won't.

[tigali]

I am Ricardo Villalobos. I post under this name on this forum only. Just wanted to let you know that I only said what I said because I was on crack. Hope this is all ok again now. I really love Ableton sound engine.
Soz.
Ricardo.
xoxoxo

[filterstein]

many vst plugins will sound radically different in different applications and different buffer settings.

Dude, you're using too much drugs!
If a plugin sounds different, while only using different buffer settings, it's changing the laws of physics.
I dare you to reproduce your little waves demo on both platforms, identical audio input files, identical waves settings.
Upload them so we can all hear.

[4/4]

totally predictable.

so's your response

[tigali]

many vst plugins will sound radically different in different applications and different buffer settings.

Dude, you're using too much drugs!
If a plugin sounds different, while only using different buffer settings, it's changing the laws of physics.
I dare you to reproduce your little waves demo on both platforms, identical audio input files, identical waves settings.
Upload them so we can all hear.

Looks like you been called out diskowipe. You gonna just front?!?!?! (Strikes mad pose and makes game face)

[kb420]

this is the other problem...

people with over a thousand posts on a message board who can take the time to make/edit huge pictures like that just to post on internet forums in threads like these

why not spend that time and learn that there is more out there for audio/music than ableton live? Or better yet, dont make thousands of posts on the internet and work those extra hours in your studio...

or better yet. just keep making pictures so the next time a artists like Ricardo gives his opinion on this topic. you have something to make everyone that also has over a thousand posts on ableton.com laugh at how much Villalobos sucks and how bad his music is

I didn't make that photo. I saw it on another forum, but I liked it and it seems to fit this topic.

I use more than just Live. I use Sonar 8 as well as Pro Tools 8. This argument is as old as can be. Sonar's forums did this a few years ago when version 5 was released and they went with the 64 bit float. People swore they could tell the difference between the 32 bit and 64 bit floats. This argument went on for months, and guess what, those that said they could hear a difference were right. There was something in the new code for verson 5's 64 bit float that was behaving like an exciter. It was proved with a simple sine wave and a null test in Sound Forge.

The point I am trying to make is that until you can prove it, I have to conclude that it's just placebo. I have often heard people saying that you can't make a decent mix in Reason, but I've heard perfect mixes in Reason. Just check some of the demo songs.

I'm a firm believer in the old saying, "It's not what you use, but how you use it."

no offense man but you profile says you like NFL football, i cannot be having this conversation with you anymore

you obviously havent read the more prudent parts of this thread (live not being sample accurate) and are just viewing it as, one is better than the other...

"its not what you use but how you use it" = cliche bullshit from internet forum junkies who dont really make music

Wow!

Ok, you win. I'll just do what I do and stay happy while you sit hear and complain about sample accuracy!!!!