Man made Global Warming is not taking place

[derzai]

The melting of the ice cap has also an advantage, it will be more easy for ships to sail to Siberia, where there is still plenty of oil.

Say a catastrophy will occur and 3 or 4 billion people will die, then still 3 or 4 billion will be left.
They then have more space and could get a higher standard of living.

Earth will always survive, I dont worry about it.

[Leon Tricker]

I walk to the station in the morning to get the train to work. And I overtake on foot all the cars stuck in a jam. And I watch as hundreds of vehicles pump out tons and tons of fumes. And I think:

1. Even if global warming is a myth, those fumes don't look like they are doing anyone or anything any good and we could do with cutting them out regardless.

2. I get to work quicker via public transport than my wife and most of my friends who insist that every journey they ever make must be by car (admittedly, my faith is tested when it's raining and very cold )

[Emissary]

I walk to the station in the morning to get the train to work. And I overtake on foot all the cars stuck in a jam. And I watch as hundreds of vehicles pump out tons and tons of fumes. And I think:

1. Even if global warming is a myth, those fumes don't look like they are doing anyone or anything any good and we could do with cutting them out regardless.

2. I get to work quicker via public transport than my wife and most of my friends who insist that every journey they ever make must be by car (admittedly, my faith is tested when it's raining and very cold )

Good for you mate. I always walk everywhere unless its a total necessity (going further than 5 miles usually) Ok granted the energy your using to walk comes from food that was transported via trucks that spewed out shit loads of emissions and then there is the plastic used to wrap it, and the huge amounts of emissions used by the farmer to grow it (sowing, harvesting). But at least your doing something, i suggest an allotment or a large vegetable patch in your garden if you have the room. And always buy Local. Avoid supermarkets like the plague.

[Nicknackerski]

I see you've been on graphs.com again Emissary!

weren't you arguing last week for the other side! LOL!

your local mayor is gonna be pissed.

No that was about peak oil, glad to see you were paying attention

Oh yeah, i waZZZZZZZzzzzzzz.........

[ethios4]

Get on the game. Life is adaptation. Is China gonna kick our ass at this, too? We'll have only ourselves to blame.

Really? It sounds like life is about placing regulatory burdens unequally on developed countries so that developing countries have a chance to make their own polluting economies. Is China going to kick our ass too? It probably has a lot to do with how burdened we are with regulations they are not subject to, and how much of our economy is destroyed under so-called free-trade agreements. Again, I think there is a political agenda and worldview that is driving the cart at least as much as concern about climate change.

What kind of backwards view do you have of people in places like India and China? You apparently think they are all just poor dumb rice farmers.

Again, I'm all for sustainable living and these new technologies, and I'm not necessarily opposed to government regulation to accomplish these goals. I am, however, against cloaking a leftist political agenda under the veil of environmental concern, and reconfiguring the global economic system under the guise of regulation. In fact, I think AGW activists would serve the cause much better with some careful self-examination about these issues.

[Leon Tricker]

Good for you mate. I always walk everywhere unless its a total necessity (going further than 5 miles usually) Ok granted the energy your using to walk comes from food that was transported via trucks that spewed out shit loads of emissions and then there is the plastic used to wrap it, and the huge amounts of emissions used by the farmer to grow it (sowing, harvesting). But at least your doing something, i suggest an allotment or a large vegetable patch in your garden if you have the room. And always buy Local. Avoid supermarkets like the plague.

It just seems common sense to me - whether global warming is real or not, you surely don't need scientific proof to see that a lot of human activity is not good for the local environment.

I am on the area waiting list for an allotment (my 'garden' is about 6 foot square, and covered in paving slabs). I go to the local butcher, bakery, deli, and greengrocer. I take my own shopping bags. I recycle.

But I also work for a housing association, and I know a lot of our residents are not in the position I am. On the poverty line the supermarket 'own brands' that are very cheap are sometimes the only option.

The UK government should ban free carrier bags and tax to hell the use of excessive packaging on all products.

[ethios4]

I'm building a raised-bed garden this winter. Can't wait to be eating my own food!! My wife has been a huge influence on me in terms of conservation. Now I cringe whenever anyone leaves water running, or cars running, lights on, throws away perfectly good containers, uses unnecessary plastic bags, buys a bunch of shit they don't need, etc.

[mikemc]

Gardens sound wonderful until the weeds come but yeh we keep on trying too.

I saw a graph a year or so ago, temperature fluctuations over the period that temperatures have been recorded. It indicated that we are in a periodic upswing in warming. It also indicated that this upswing was more acute and would end up going much higher than in previous warming periods, and the explanation for that was that it was accelerated by greenhouse gas emissions.

I read a news article where a climate scientist was quoted as saying something to the effect of "Global warming seems to have stopped, and we don't know why, and it is a disgrace because we should know why".

Then, there is some other stuff about "solar system warming", that temperatures on all of the planets in the solar system have recently raised slightly. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... rming.html

[edit] sorry... my point here is that, in the final analysis, the various experts seem to have not clue the first as to how much warming can really be said to be due to human activity, and that if the sun decides to be just a teensy smidge hotter, it becomes truly academic (or a Roland Emmerich film).

I cannot believe that pumping zillions of tons of something artificial into the air doesn't affect the atmosphere negatively, and clearly that can occur to the point where irreparable environmental harm occurs. If cutbacks in fossil fuel use are part of preventive global warming measures, then it is only good. But it is all only buying time as long as we are so dependent on fossil fuels.

[Emissary]

I'm building a raised-bed garden this winter. Can't wait to be eating my own food!! My wife has been a huge influence on me in terms of conservation. Now I cringe whenever anyone leaves water running, or cars running, lights on, throws away perfectly good containers, uses unnecessary plastic bags, buys a bunch of shit they don't need, etc.

Your own vegetables taste so goods its insane. May i suggest getting compost bins too, an important part of gardening is putting the waste back into your garden and not just buying fertilizer from the local shop. Also Crop rotation is a must. Try to learn about which plants complement each other with regards to this.

[ethios4]

^^ Got a good year's worth of compost going in our bin. Another great things I learned from my wife....how plants work! She knows all about which crops work together. I get a lot of my learning from Gardens Alive.

When we bought our house 8 months ago our yard was patchy and dead looking. We raised the blade on our lawn mower and let the grass grow long enough to go to seed between cuttings. Now we have the best looking yard on the street...much better than the lawns that are sprayed green with fertilizers and all that. Amazing how well nature works if you just let it.

One Straw Revolution seriously schooled me on natural farming. Awesome book.
http://www.mrmlonline.com/si/028953.html

[WaveRider]

yep. sure. well, i know the consequences, and don't see the dramatic terrible impact. sorry.

don't you know that already a couple millions have died because ethanol crops meant higher food prices?


...fool!!!!

[WaveRider]

the whole debate has been nicely sidelined by people arguing about global warming.

it's pollution. pollution is very real, it needs to be curtailed. that cannot be denied.

yeah pollution is real but the plan to fight global warming does nothing for toxic substances in the environment...

[hacktheplanet]

I wrote a song for this: http://www.fakecomputermusic.com/static/esci.mp3

[ethios4]

my point here is that, in the final analysis, the various experts seem to have not clue the first as to how much warming can really be said to be due to human activity, and that if the sun decides to be just a teensy smidge hotter, it becomes truly academic (or a Roland Emmerich film).

I believe the argument here is that CO2 amplifies the sun's effects. So if the sun 'gets hotter', it will have that much more of an impact than if there was less CO2 in the atmosphere.

[WaveRider]

The only reason there is any significant doubt about human induced warming is because big business interests have promoted climate change denial.

it's quite the opposite, the Rotchilds, banking interests and speculators are all for carbon trading where they will rip us good.... in fact the same who got the bailouts will collect the soon-to-be carbon taxes... and they will sell derivatives baSED ON CARBON CREDITS... they will make lots of money