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funky shit wrote:

nylarch wrote:

they fall flat by having 95% market share, or 20x as much as apple. why should they really care?

They better care - thats changing fast. I work in a large Financial Services org and Googles making inroads and MacBookPros popping up everywhere in dev departments....executives are getting iPhones and wanting to use them for work as well...I'm really surprised how much traction Apple is starting to make in the Enterprise world...didn't think it would happen but I'm psyched. Will be working on a MBP with 250GB SSD in a week or two.

no real threats untill apple lower their rediculous prices.

I wouldn't say their prices are ridiculous but they are definitely too high IMO. I'm more concerned about people's income than the price of things though. I heard an interview a while back where a guy said if Americans wanted to rebuild the manufacturing base, they'd have to pay more for things like iPhones. If they made iPhones in California and Mexico instead of China they would cost 50% more. It's the Wallmart problem, people like $12 t-shirts.

That said, everything does cost too much. Fender guitars went way up last year, hundreds of dollars more. I looked at this thing called a Voicelive that Fever Ray uses, it's $500, $800 for the new version. The price of milk didn't even go down during the recession. Look at the price of jeans, most of them are too trendy and flashy for me. I would never shell out $180 but I got a pair of Ernest Sewn jeans for half off and I'm not kidding, I feel like a million dollars in those damn jeans. I know mac haters don't believe it but Apple makes nice gear, and nice costs a lot. More than ever. Plus they invent the thing so they create the market. The personal computer got away from them and you can tell they aren't going to let the same thing happen with the phone and iTunes, thus the whole App thing to keep their product dynamic. You gotta admit, they know what they're doing. Would I prefer open source, yeah, but then again I like reading the New York Times on my phone while listening to Sound on Sound podcasts. Apple made that happen- technologically and culturally- not Dell, not Microsoft, not Sony. There is value in that, but will we create enough good paying jobs so more people can afford such luxury, that's the question I have. Income more than price.

Action Jackson wrote:

davepermen wrote:well, my 2730p from hp is sexy, and so is the 2710p. so i don't have a need for any of those new fancy tablets ..

Sorry to burst your bubble, but HP is as sexy as David Hasselhoff!

shudder..

sorry dude, but i think i'm allowed to sue you to bring me those pictures up..

and no, hp is actually quite sexy. the elitebook series at least. oh, and they're useful.. i like the single-charge-24h laptop for people really on the go. or the one with a colour-adjusted screen with colour-correctness for any form of art-workers (which is really something a macbook pro should have since years, as they are for the 'artsy' people), etc..

funky shit wrote:i would actually far rather buy a lemur, or monome, or a keyboard etc etc.

those tablet things arnt half as cool as the dedicated controllers which are out there.

I knew someone would say that. I owned a monome 40h from the original run of them. Financial circumstances caused me to sell it and now I use a monome 40h kit that my wife, a friend and I built.

I would love a lemur, but can't afford one. If I had one then I would have to take a lemur, macbook, monome, interface, USB hub, etc. to a show. For the studio, yes, I prefer a room full of really nice dedicated devices. For live shows, one device that could act like a monome for one song and a lemur for another, where I would only have to bring one thing, I would really prefer that.

I want one of those Microsoft things so I reckon the apple one is going to be sell your kids good. . .

Out of interest is this the laptop under discussion?

http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u69/EliteBook.png

And btw Xbox rules, i got one, but the os is ugly as hell. .

Everythinbg Microsoft do seems to have this bargain basement, made in Taiwan feel to it.

i can't quite explain what it is but their design aesthitic, to me, sucks. . .

Have microsoft and apple products galore so it's not just mindless fanboying. . .


Essentially microsoft come of as the launch pad of the world whereas apple the monome. . . There faster, look better but ultimately you pay for the priveledge.

it's a shame cos a couple of years ago to 18 months back Apple prices weren't that bad.

now they are silly money agian.
my next machine will be a hackinbox

funky shit wrote:

jeskola01 wrote:There's a great video of that guy steve whats his chops from microsoft LAUGHING at the propsed $500 iphone a few years ago before it's launch.
Smugley announcing Microsofts phones would be the consumers phone of choice.

I dunno what it is about Microsoft but i just love seeing them fall flat on their face everytime.
Everything about them seems to try so hard to be "cool" but they manage to fail miserabley... every time.
(The xbox excluded).

I really hope whatever Apple announces pisses all over their offering.

Rant done.

how the christ was the xbox a fail?

i do agree microsoft are trying to be cool. i wish they would stop with that crap.
that new guy steve baulmer or watever his face is anoys the shit out of me.
Bill Gates was awesome, i cant see people arguing otherwise.
i also dont even see microsoft as a big massive evil corp..

Yes - the place was good when BillG was in charge - now its gone to shit and on the run - just a business now run by business people who may as well be selling double glazing for all they care.

Action Jackson wrote:Seriously, which one would you choose; a tablet PC or a tablet Mac? If I were to buy a tablet computer, Apple would be the only way to go. HP just isn't sexy enough.

well.... they make sexier laptops...
(and are a company that exists from 1939...and today...the biggest 'tech' company in the world...

I know my next machine will probly be HP...

it's so typical for Apple fanboys to believe Apple will automatically make a better product...

Action Jackson wrote:Seriously, which one would you choose; a tablet PC or a tablet Mac? If I were to buy a tablet computer, Apple would be the only way to go. HP just isn't sexy enough.

wow. there's so much wrong with that I don't know where to begin.

Tone Deft wrote:

Action Jackson wrote:Seriously, which one would you choose; a tablet PC or a tablet Mac? If I were to buy a tablet computer, Apple would be the only way to go. HP just isn't sexy enough.

wow. there's so much wrong with that I don't know where to begin.

It's all wrong, but he's right. Although I'm now a happy Mac user, I had an HP laptop ages ago (until it was stolen ) - it was awesome, really rugged, ran Win2K, never let me down, great battery life, I tweaked the hell out of it and it ran really streamlined and reliably. In short, it was an engineer's laptop for engineers. Which, unfortunately, is not what the kids care about... HP is sexy for engineers and people who don't buy into slick adverts, but that's an ever-diminishing minority...

OK, so what if Apple drops firewire and/or USB ports or who knows what on the new box? that's not an issue with PCs because there are so many PC makers.

the whole form over function thing is something I see a lot of in Apple people. Mac user would pick a box because it's pretty, what a LOL!!

Live runs fine on either platform, the biggest turn off for Macs are the people that use them. I've considered getting one just so I can see the difference to know what it's all about but Mac people creep me out.

BTW I'm an engineer by day, not at night. at night it's all music, I don't even have any games installed. I'd say that it's probably the artists that are unwilling to switch to PC. one, they'd lose that Mac artist cred fashion statement, two, they've been conned into the notion that if you're an idiot and can't use a computer you have to get a Mac. with my engineer coworkers, I'd say it's a 50/50 split with their personal machines.

Mac vs. PC vs. PC tablet vs. Mac Tablet

The only way this could get better is if Tiger Woods somehow owned and used all 4.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/dan_a ... sions.html

Why do you prefer X over Y? Does Z have anything to do with it? Z being Linux off course...

One day they'll publish a nice paper on the subject. The only reason it hasn't been done is because they're working out which computer to do the research and writing on.

starving student wrote:wtf is it about touching a screen, you guys kill me you better start touching some strings, drumsticks, and vinyl. or is it everybodys dream to be a fuckin window washer or what

Werd.

muthafunka wrote:

starving student wrote:wtf is it about touching a screen, you guys kill me you better start touching some strings, drumsticks, and vinyl. or is it everybodys dream to be a fuckin window washer or what

Werd.

no imagination.

with a touch screen the user interface is completely configurable. add speakers or a headphone jack and you have a complete multimedia device. name a better interface.

Starving Student had best touch some music gear and lay off the "New Topic" button.