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SubFunk wrote:i don't understand this sentence

It depends really, some people buy into the ethos of it being completely live or analogue or whatever.

care to elaborate?

I think he means that to some people the idea of it being 'completely live' is what gets them excited. Even if that idea of Live-ness is poorly thought through.

It doesn't matter to them what that 'completely live' actually means, EG: completely live samples being triggered quantized to the nearest bar !! wheee!!!

but that to some people this weird detail takes on some kind of critical trainspotter importance.
Same with 'Analog'. Or 'punk', etc.
The concepts themselves have a value to the listener and that value is laid over the experience of listening to the music.

"this music is so real and meaningful, because it is punk analog and totally Live!"

ahh, thanks!

but the majority of the crowd gives a total shit as long as it is not some intellectual rubbish and it simply rocks the socks off.

Intellectual rubbish rocks.

I've jammed with friends at living room dance-parties, but that's it.

I really want to perform. I need to work on my craft, first.

I advise you to just do it, even if it looks like a man doing email with a load of effect pedals.
It's just too easy to succumb to an idea of the perfect gig set-up and performance.
You can't really practice it. Or if you do, it will be unexpected parts of it that the audience will like best.

get a friend to film a bit of it. even 5 minutes will do.
watch that video back, and that is the quickest way to improve your live performances

thinking about how you can do it, and doing it"logically" is often not the best way at all.
doing is the best way.
be prepared to be a bit shit. Accept your inner shitness.
Aiming for safe perfection is death to a live act.

People love wild wonky spontaneity, there's too much prepared safety.

Angstrom wrote:

SubFunk wrote:i don't understand this sentence

It depends really, some people buy into the ethos of it being completely live or analogue or whatever.

care to elaborate?

I think he means that to some people the idea of it being 'completely live' is what gets them excited. Even if that idea of Live-ness is poorly thought through.

It doesn't matter to them what that 'completely live' actually means, EG: completely live samples being triggered quantized to the nearest bar !! wheee!!!

but that to some people this weird detail takes on some kind of critical trainspotter importance.
Same with 'Analog'. Or 'punk', etc.
The concepts themselves have a value to the listener and that value is laid over the experience of listening to the music.

"this music is so real and meaningful, because it is punk analog and totally Live!"

Basically this. Apart from clubs with a DJ culture (ewwwwwww), people want to see what you're doing.

Though it does resort in a whole bunch of geeks trying to talk to you afterwards about equipment when you just want to get to the bar and chat up some girls

I play guitar live,in a punk band on all too rare reunions with the lads I played with in the 90's. I don't think I'd ever have the balls to try the producer/electronica stuff on stage...I fuck it up way too often at home to the point of not just being able to pick up at the next bar. Guitar and lyric fuck ups usually pass unnoticed live, but hitting a wrong key on the computer and waiting 5 minutes while I squint around the screen trying to work out what the fuck I've done...not sure the punters I've played in front of would be too understanding.

Sage wrote:"this music is so real and meaningful, because it is punk analog and totally Live!"

Isn't it funny, the tendency to capitalize the word "live", even when not referring to the software. I do it all the time.

Angstrom wrote:Accept your inner shitness.

Hallelujah! I totally feel you on this one.

Angstrom wrote:I advise you to just do it, even if it looks like a man doing email with a load of effect pedals.
It's just too easy to succumb to an idea of the perfect gig set-up and performance.
You can't really practice it. Or if you do, it will be unexpected parts of it that the audience will like best.

get a friend to film a bit of it. even 5 minutes will do.
watch that video back, and that is the quickest way to improve your live performances

thinking about how you can do it, and doing it"logically" is often not the best way at all.
doing is the best way.
be prepared to be a bit shit. Accept your inner shitness.
Aiming for safe perfection is death to a live act.

People love wild wonky spontaneity, there's too much prepared safety.

Amen.

If you can't fuck up, you can't soar.

^^^ yeah, absolutely! the whole 'rock 'n roll / punk attitude is missing, way to many people try to create perfect music or perfect gigs or perfect DJ sets which then usually result into a big bore.