The No1 Wish for Ableton Live

[ninjalab]

+1,000,000 for comping. ANY kind of multi-take management.

I'm so tired of exporting to Logic for overdubbing a studio musician so as not to make them sit and wait while I make new track after new track for each take, muting and un-muting each one, and inevitably slowing down my system with more 'tracks'.

[luzil]

To have the ability to open more than one project at the same time as mentioned previously is a must.

The important thing is to be able to drop part of one project into another by dropping from window to window. This would help to arrange two seperate songs / musical passages / or more / comped together / to anable a new complete arrangement.

this is my no 1 wish, copy pasting from different live set in different instances windows

[lapieuvre]

I thought the No1 wish for Ableton Live was Session view automation!

Anyways, that's my wish!

Comping would be my no2

[esky]

come on guys..thats defenetly not the no1 wish for live.. generations of producers made it in the last decades without comping..and with a harddisk recording system you always can open a new track..with ableton even without limit...

comping is a rather new comfort feature that was as far i know first introduced into logic..or?
So why not using that program if you need comping? you can rewire ableton live..

besides, its pretty hard to include comping into session view.. i don´t really see how such a feature fits within a program like live..

i would say no 1 wishes should be essential without easy workarounds and should fit with the exsisting functionality.. in the best case they should be easy to implement...

so this is not THE No 1 wish

This does not happen very often but i'm totally with 3phase here. Less new features, more development on what's already there...

[EX]

come on guys..thats defenetly not the no1 wish for live.. generations of producers made it in the last decades without comping..and with a harddisk recording system you always can open a new track..with ableton even without limit...

comping is a rather new comfort feature that was as far i know first introduced into logic..or?
So why not using that program if you need comping? you can rewire ableton live..

besides, its pretty hard to include comping into session view.. i don´t really see how such a feature fits within a program like live..

i would say no 1 wishes should be essential without easy workarounds and should fit with the exsisting functionality.. in the best case they should be easy to implement...

so this is not THE No 1 wish

This does not happen very often but i'm totally with 3phase here. Less new features, more development on what's already there...

Oh man we need less of these opinions. I'm not of this only stability matters school of thought, of course its important, no-one would say its not but it need not be mutually exclusive to the addition of a few absolutely bog-standard (for any other DAW) workflow enhancing features.

Comping is a feature of all the major DAW's. It doesn't have an 'easy workaround'. It has a hard, tedious workaround. I don't know whether this is a case of people who only make instrumentals not really appreciating the reality or what. Its ludicrous to say that the lack of comping is easily worked around and to downplay the hours extra time that the workaround demands, not to mention the annoyance and potential confusion of marker placement to isolate the different takes.

(The point about it being hard to conceive of in session view isn't much of a counter-argument, there's no automation in session view, but it exists in the other view. Perhaps it would be more stable to get rid of automation in Arrangement too then??)

And the argument that decades ago people made music using two-inch tape or whatever so therefore we should continue to suffer and endure those workflow impediments now despite the technological advance is fatuous to say the least... okay well following that logic, let's not bother calling for the upgrading of anything to do with Live at all then... in fact lets all go back to Live 1 and make things as hard and frustrating for ourselves as possible..?

So. As I was saying. Plus one trillion for comping. No offence.

[JBlongz]

The thread is funny . But yea comping is nice. But GUI improvements first, will make comping more conceivable. I already get dizzy in arrange mode with group tracks. Comping will be that with a vengeance.

[Jinsai]

I could see why some people would want Ableton to move more towards becoming a standard DAW, but my number 1 request is to make a rock solid program that I can rely upon in a live context. They've seemed to move away from that as the program has grown more complex and fully featured. I don't use Ableton for recording, I use Logic.

[JBlongz]

I could see why some people would want Ableton to move more towards becoming a standard DAW, but my number 1 request is to make a rock solid program that I can rely upon in a live context. They've seemed to move away from that as the program has grown more complex and fully featured. I don't use Ableton for recording, I use Logic.

I ultimately agree with you. Ableton developed ENOUGH features for NOW. Stability is a MUST. I'm TIRED of my sessions crashing in front of clients. I definitely don't see myself doing a live shows with AU/VST plugins. ALSO a little more feedback from Ableton on this forum..perhaps someone who can blog the company's progress/challenges. We are your customers and where here to help and constructively criticize.

[esky]

Hey EX, i see your point, but i'm afraid this feature is not so easy to realise. What i mean is that Ableton should first look after what's obvious. Like the free choice of key and midi mapping for a l l functions. You could easily build a setup of cutting and deactivating a selection by just one key or button. This would help editing takes a lot. The 8 update brought so many new things like max or the apc that where not integrated a hundred percent, i' d go for that first before bringing another new things on an inferior level.
But of course, due to marketing strategy, Live 9 will have new features....

[AceLuby]

Can't comping be done fairly easily in session view? Just get the backing track recorded to the arrangement view, play the arrangement while recording a clip in session view.

I know this is possible because I've done it when adding live drums to an already created track. You can use those takes to create small clips of the parts you like and then arrange them back on the arrangement view however you like.

I would think doing the same for vocals would be a similar process.

[infinaut]

1. Comping
2. Now this is a wish but one could also look at it as a suggestion. I would like to have the following function:

let's say you're doing a performance in session view while all the tracks are being recorded in the arrangement (lfo's, filters, audio inputs, midi inputs, etc...). Now let's say you play the same guitar solo over and over again, and then boom you got it just like you wanted. Now you could stop the performance, go into arrangement view, select the bars (say 16 bars) and consolidate that all into a scene. But, you will have to stop the flow to do that.

Now, would it be not nice to have a button with an amount of bars setting which you would click and Live will consolidate and make a new scene for ya on the fly? For example with a setting of 16 bars, you click it an Live takes the last 16 bars and makes a scene out of them. This way you'll just continue jamming, clicking the button whenever you feel you had something good down and then at the end of the performance you got your scenes to mix, mess around with, etc...

it's kinda like comping on the fly

[daseed]

Sorry for this noob question but what does comping means?

[broke]

+1 because this will make working with audio so much easier

[AceLuby]

Can't comping be done fairly easily in session view? Just get the backing track recorded to the arrangement view, play the arrangement while recording a clip in session view.

I know this is possible because I've done it when adding live drums to an already created track. You can use those takes to create small clips of the parts you like and then arrange them back on the arrangement view however you like.

I would think doing the same for vocals would be a similar process.

Can someone who can't do this tell me why the above won't work? Is there something more to comping I'm not understanding?

[EX]

Not certain what you mean but it reads to me a bit as if you mean record in Session and comp in Arrangement...?

My response to the point about comping not fitting into Session view is... well, who cares, really. You need to be able to see waveforms horizontally for it to be a convenience so Arrangement suits that.

And my understanding of Live and the point of it, which may be wrong, is that it was/is conceived to be an all-round DAW and so-named because it encourages a 'Live' (spontaneous) feel/approach to composing, rather than merely a device for DJs/performers to trigger stuff.