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H20nly wrote:it was just you...

Ya i thought so

^ whats the matter? why did you change your reply?

that little emicon of you jerking off an unseen prick wasn't cutting it?

changing your post with a fake quote isn't any less of a failure.

Try again.

it's not a fake quote, it is the essence of your quote and cheeky edit. Starting a fresh page with a post it's prudent to provide a quote in order to keep things in context. No biggie.

The problem with the jerking off emoticon is he wasn't wearing shades

fair enough.

Okay, so all jabs/stabs/jokes/put downs aside...

why do you think that controlling Live with a touch screen is such a failure?

I wouldn't want to, but thats because I don't care for touch screens at all really. I much prefer solid and tactile to... delicate grease collecting glass/plastic.
Why are you so dead set against it?

fat fingers.

ha!
that would rule out the lemur too though - no ?
we're taking about scalable interfaces here.



Anyway:
Live only allows for one monitor. Using that as the controller would be lame because
[a] you'll get gorilla arm if you leave it in the usual monitor position.
if you lay it virtually flat in the usual controller position it's going to suck as a monitor.

so, you need at least dual monitor support so one touchscreen can act as a controller, and the other as a monitor. Given such a scenario, I'd still want a monitor overview of the session section - I would not want to sacrifice the overview in order to make some kind of ad-hoc control surface by scaling the gui.

I'm not against touchscreens though, you could make yourself a nice interface i'm sure with max for live or whatever processing environment you fancy that could output midi to control live. It's using one touchscreen as the monitor AND the controller which to me is ultimate fail.

Some guy talked about a 3rd view earlier. in combination with dual monitor support - he hit the nail on the head. 3rd view or the ability to display session view twice, and scaled differently whenever dual-screen hits home. (to stick with the synchro's initial suggestion. I'd still prefer a dedicated GUI)

btw, ableton should really make OSC a standard control protocol for live9.
Going through maxforlive for osc control is pretty lame.

Touchscreen is the most undesirable interface for me. It feels like crap and I always hit random junk on accident or dont push it right and it doesn't register. For specific things I could see it being useful, but for the main aspects of my set I need something a little more solid feeling.

@donnie
totally.
I've had a similar experience with touchscreen monitors, but the lemur is much, much less error prone. That said, I'm not trying every touchscreen monitor that comes out so there may be improvements.



touchscreens are no replacement for real faders, knobs, and drum pads or keys.

They're great to use amongst your other tactile controllers though.

I use mine mostly for sequencers, static settings, and 'esoteric' methods of generating control data.

i use real knobs & faders for live mixing where feeling and real time precision is important.
if you buy a touchscreen, any touchscreen, to replace all your knobs & faders you will be underwhelmed.

dum wrote: I'm not against touchscreens though, you could make yourself a nice interface i'm sure with max for live or whatever processing environment you fancy that could output midi to control live. It's using one touchscreen as the monitor AND the controller which to me is ultimate fail.

agreed.

I was thinking that it might be nice for the faders on the mixer... but the knobs

dum wrote:touchscreens are no replacement for real faders, knobs, and drum pads or keys.

nope. its run vs. walk

you're right about the angle bit too. That could quickly become a pain in the ass, especially when your monitor arm/hinge starts getting loose from being moved so much. They were never meant for that.

good points dum, I don't think those have been mentioned.


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guys check usine free: 0$

build custom faders, pots, xy, swichs, trigger grids and more, multitouch ready.control live via osc or midi with total bidirectionnal, values updates, names and colors, and that still represent 2% of it's capabilities...

http://www.sensomusic.com/usine/

fx23 wrote:guys check usine free: 0$

build custom faders, pots, xy, swichs, trigger grids and more, multitouch ready.control live via osc or midi with total bidirectionnal, values updates, names and colors, and that still represent 2% of it's capabilities...

http://www.sensomusic.com/usine/

Well it's a software solution - I'm currently struggling to finish my hardware, software quite doesn't bother me, because there are a lot of free solutions and I could develop my own if I'd like to. Hardware is the broken link here.

yup but hardware is coming soon, cf 3M 10 finger multitouch, or all ipad clones, can already find hp, packardbell, iiyama or others dual or 10. the multitouch revolution is just starting now.
then usine powering them is just the ultimate controller imo, i doubt any othe software can reach such unlimited power for free...

here is an example of what could be an eventual integrated software/hardware usine powered:
with 3M multitouch kit.
http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/img/ga ... 391678.jpg

+1 for Usine! I am excited to see the Live control interface that fx23 (aka 23fx23) is making...
Also Usine as a VST in Live opens up all kinds of interesting posssibilities. OT, but one of my favorite features is instant snapshot recall of VST state. This essentially gives midi program change functionality to any VST plugin or instrument running in Usine VST.