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With serious mode on, I don't see why the deep sea drilling companies aren't forced to replace the oil with CO2, lock that down there. They could do it, they have the cash and the platform is already there.

Once again we're forced to recycle pointlessly while those that could really make difference ignore the whole issue.

The Norwegians do this already

It may become more accepted around the world, but as you can imagine it is costly to do. So, you can also imagine that oil industry lobbyists may seek to cast any such project as a socialist step towards a new world order, etc, etc

But, realistically, it will only get done if there is a cost benefit to the company doing the drilling.

True, true.

But perhaps they do need to start understanding that it is a world issue, it is our survival that is at stake. You want to dig oil? Fine, but you have to take responsibility for the carbon dioxide it will produce.

I know I'm wating my time but i do see some crazy things going on and wonder why nothing gets done.

i've got maggots falling out of my bin becasue i only get my rubbush collected bi-weekly yet the cars at the dartford tunnle still have to p[ay a toll and queue causing THE heaviest traffic pollution. Just open the damn tunnel and fix it via roadtax. Come on.

beats me wrote:

ethios4 wrote:Do you think the 'splosion was planned or something?

I'm just saying it's really convenient that we were just about to start drilling elsewhere again and this happens and there's no shortage of people who will benefit financially or ideologically from this disaster.

Yea, I thought so too. And of course some people are already bringing up the Halliburton connection, since they had just finished concrete work in the relevant areas some 20 hours before the explosion. Very convenient timing, I just wonder if there is any real evidence of a planned explosion. It would probably be very easy to conceal. Life also has a way with impeccable timing.

Angstrom wrote:Anyway - there's no conspiracy there - it's just simply not possible to scale it up without raping the third world utterly.

seems like it always boils down to something of the sort.


I wonder how much merrit/benefit there is to the notion of using hemp seed oil...

H20nly wrote:I read an article in High Times around '94 where this old dude in New York had converted his VW bug so that it would run on vegetable/canola/corn/you name it oil. He would fry up fish and french fries for dinner and then strain the oil and put it right in to the gas tank. The mileage was just as good. It was in High Times because they were going off about how cheap and easy hemp oil is to produce. Anywaaaaay, to make a long story short, Exxon made him rich and that was the last we heard of that. Apparently they have a room full of filing cabinets with similar innovations gathering dust.

ya i just did a trip from Austin,TX to Louisville Kentucky on mostly veggie oil
in my friends ford 350
our full cost was about 1/4 what it would have been
but its not as easy as filling up at the pump..
we had a 40 gallon w.v.o. tank and then a 55 gallon drum full
plus some water issues..
traveling on veggie can a pain but if you research and find people with clean veggie oil for sale you can get it for $1 to $2 a gallon..
one note though is it is not that easy
you need to spend up 5k on a conversion kit and also you have to find a veggie oil source plus be able to clean it or you'll be dropping allot of cash on fuel filters

so veggie oil is for diesel engines
and
Electrolysis is for gas engines
i don't know much about Electrolysis Car Kits
but i'm going to look into it soon

....

you wouldn't believe how few people know about this oil spill
and i live in central Texas.
i get close to tears thinking about it and all the destruction this could cause
hell hurricane season is right around the corner..
imagine what a nice oil filled storm surge is going to do to the cost line
i mean its not like their isn't plenty of oil in the gulf already from past spills but this one is freaking massive

everyone needs to do anything they can to stop supporting this way of life.
dude humans have lived for thousands of years with out such a strong oil dependence.. we can do it again.. its not that big of a deal..
if urban developing was based around people using public transit, walking, biking and all that.. those little small cars that people make fun of.. well that is the vehicle of the future.. i mean why the hell do people need hummers
i have never seen anyone driving a hummer that needed a vehicle of that caliber.
the same with suv's and big trucks.. ya some people need them for work, family, what ever but maybe about a 5th of those on the road actually need to be their.

i love city life and one of the things i love about living in a city is that i do not need a car. plus Austin is blessed with a ton of farming with in 30 miles. i have been doing a work trade at a local C.S.A. farm to get my produce and its great.

in a consumer based society the consumer actually has tons of power but it is controlled by marketing.. but if people would realize that they can make a difference by how they spend their dollar they would realize their power as a consumer. we can bring corporations to their knees and take the money out of politics. it is really this simple.. do not buy the products that fund the hate.
ya oil is the tuff one but you can cut your oil consumption in a large number of ways not just from driving your car less.

bosonHavoc wrote:you wouldn't believe how few people know about this oil spill
and i live in central Texas.
i get close to tears thinking about it and all the destruction this could cause
hell hurricane season is right around the corner..
imagine what a nice oil filled storm surge is going to do to the cost line
i mean its not like their isn't plenty of oil in the gulf already from past spills but this one is freaking massive

sad part is, I was gonna reply; they'll notice when the price of shrimp and oysters goes through the roof... then I remembered that the same bastards that are pushing to keep us dependent on oil are the same one's making the million and/or billion dollar salaries... so the shrimp and oysters become delicacies for just them to eat at their grossly overpriced luncheons and dinner parties... fuckin trophies.

*pukes a little*

^

BP = Big Phuckup

[edit] And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

all kidding/hating/frustation aside...

it looks like they have no fucking clue what they are doing.

http://globalwarming.house.gov/spillcam

bosonHavoc wrote:
ya i just did a trip from Austin,TX to Louisville Kentucky on mostly veggie oil
in my friends ford 350
our full cost was about 1/4 what it would have been
but its not as easy as filling up at the pump..
we had a 40 gallon w.v.o. tank and then a 55 gallon drum full
plus some water issues..
traveling on veggie can a pain but if you research and find people with clean veggie oil for sale you can get it for $1 to $2 a gallon..
one note though is it is not that easy
you need to spend up 5k on a conversion kit and also you have to find a veggie oil source plus be able to clean it or you'll be dropping allot of cash on fuel filters

so veggie oil is for diesel engines
and
Electrolysis is for gas engines
i don't know much about Electrolysis Car Kits
but i'm going to look into it soon

....



everyone needs to do anything they can to stop supporting this way of life.
dude humans have lived for thousands of years with out such a strong oil dependence.. we can do it again.. its not that big of a deal..
if urban developing was based around people using public transit, walking, biking and all that.. those little small cars that people make fun of.. well that is the vehicle of the future.. i mean why the hell do people need hummers
i have never seen anyone driving a hummer that needed a vehicle of that caliber.
the same with suv's and big trucks.. ya some people need them for work, family, what ever but maybe about a 5th of those on the road actually need to be their.

i love city life and one of the things i love about living in a city is that i do not need a car. plus Austin is blessed with a ton of farming with in 30 miles. i have been doing a work trade at a local C.S.A. farm to get my produce and its great.

in a consumer based society the consumer actually has tons of power but it is controlled by marketing.. but if people would realize that they can make a difference by how they spend their dollar they would realize their power as a consumer. we can bring corporations to their knees and take the money out of politics. it is really this simple.. do not buy the products that fund the hate.
ya oil is the tuff one but you can cut your oil consumption in a large number of ways not just from driving your car less.

Veggie oil cars. meh. I'll wait for my atomic powered flying car, thanks.

And dude, seriously. I know you live and Austin and that every single goddamn one of you in that town fancies that you are singlehandedly saving the planet and all, but the amount of motherfucking cars there is out of control. Well, at least you all have "FUCK BIG OIL" bumperstickers. That counts for sumptin. I guess.

bosonHavoc wrote:[
i have never seen anyone driving a hummer that needed a vehicle of that caliber.
the same with suv's and big trucks.. ya some people need them for work, family, what ever

Pet peeve of mine, I always have to own vans, SUVs and Trucks for work, I quickly realized SUVs are a waste of space and money though.
Thing is I always end up working on someone's house who has a bigger truck or SUV than my van, and maybe one kid.
It's all looks and intimidation on the road, the vehicle has never seen any real work. Me? I buy vans and trucks for under 3K because I'm well aware that I'm going to destroy the interior and body of the thing in a few years, no attachments, no heartbreak when you tear the cloth on the ceiling loading in a compressor and the pressure washer, and gasoline spills on the carpeting.
Though yeah, it sucks having to drive something that will never get much better than 20mpg.

this whole thing is terrible, I wish people could comprehend the consequences.

best case scenario, mother nature is pretty tough, and we start to see some ecological recovery in 20-30 years. really, that's as good as it could ever be, with the most optimistic perspectives.

but we have far surpassed the scale of exxon valdez, and the repercussions to that part of alaska are still being felt. flip over any beach rock there, and there is still oil.

worst case scenarios, which are terrifyingly achievable:

hurricane season comes in, and blows the massive slick all over the coastline. there is nothing we could ever do to protect ourselves for this. all the coastlines of the gulf will become a toxic wasteland.

much of the gulf will become a biological dead zone. this being an extremely ecologically important part of the ocean, could have chain reactions affecting species globally. fisheries all along the atlantic coast will collapse.

tourism will be dead for many decades. not one wants to chill on an oily, stinky beach full of dead shit.

the least likely, but scariest comes if the slick manages to hit the gulf stream. this is basically the main artery of the Atlantic, carrying nutrients to all parts of the ocean. it would be like injecting oil into your neck. this is most scary, because next to the rainforests which account for 5-7% of our oxygen and carbon fixing, the algae of the north Atlantic accounts for 70-80 percent of out oxygen. basically, our ocean will die off, and possibly suffocate us all.

the worst part is that humans now are capable of just about anything we set our minds to, but we remain constrained by our economics. if we said fuck the money, lets deal with this for our survival, we could clean this up in weeks. but were still worried about saving as much money in this cleanup as possible, which is going to lead to the worst 'I told you so' situation in our history.

it will be strange telling my children that the gulf coast used to be a beautiful place where people from all across the country used to go to vacation, and the ocean used to be rich with some of the most diverse and colorful wildlife you could ever imagine. only to get the response, "daddy that's silly"

I'm glad no one in the govt is taking seriously the idea to use a nuclear weapon to seal the well. The worst idea ever.

Am I correct in thinking that lack of government regulation was perhaps the biggest factor in allowing this disaster to happen?

ethios4 wrote:I'm glad no one in the govt is taking seriously the idea to use a nuclear weapon to seal the well. The worst idea ever.

Am I correct in thinking that lack of government regulation was perhaps the biggest factor in allowing this disaster to happen?

why would there be regulation when the former government was sleeping in the same bed as the oil companies?