Get ready for more Sasha threads

supster · Post by **supster** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:02 pm

D K wrote:(electronic music would be shite in the US without Sasha and Digweed coming here in the mid 90s. Or rather, it defitely would not be the same ... )

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Explain how this is wrong. From the perspective of, public awareness for dance music, and the club / electronic music scene here as a whole

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(which is what the conversation was about at the time)

D K · Post by **D K** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:56 am

i'm sure these people have had an impact on some, but i was merely laughing at the attempt to put everyone who plays electronic music into a scenario that these performers have had an effect on them or the quality of electronic music in general in the u.s...that is absurd.
dk

supster · Post by **supster** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 9:59 am

D K wrote:i'm sure these people have had an impact on some, but i was merely laughing at the attempt to put everyone who plays electronic music into a scenario that these performers have had an effect on them or the quality of electronic music in general in the u.s...that is absurd.
dk

Sure ... well... thier popularity has an impact on your perception of them.

Truth is they helped launched the house / progressive scene in america thru coming to Orlando (Ahazz) and Twilo. Boosted the club scene, record sale, and recognition for edm / dance as a whole.

Truth. So, whether you like them or what they do or not, if you produce or spin electronic they helped raise awareness for what you do

... is what the point was ..

IWannaBeKyle · Post by **IWannaBeKyle** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:55 am

<3 to the Sasha haters in here.

How about getting out of your parents basment and going out to a club for a change ?

the vinyl vs digital debate... *yawn*, as long as it rocks the crowd. If it's creative then who cares ?

The US dance music scene... until the 'machine' realizes the potential, they will be stuck in R-n-B/ hip-hip-jiggy mode.

flame on striker ace

-notkyle-

Rx · Post by Rx » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:03 pm

leisuremuffin wrote:One of my freinds and coworkers has a record that is on John Digweed's top ten records list and Digweed plays it out alot. I'm not into that style of music, but i wonder why my friend hasn't seen a penny for it. At least he gets some exposure by being on that list, but i doubt it really does that much. I guess he'll see some cash if it gets on a mix cd, but most of that money will end up with my friends label, not him, so what the fuck?

does he still own the copyright or did he give it up when he signed?

3phase · Post by **3phase** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:49 pm

Isnt it a bit strange that some pseudo dj´s from europe helped the house/progressive scene in the states?

One for sure this boys have everything else than a "stellar record collection" They really define the lowend of tech/house music these days..
It still sounds like maybe 94 not 2004, with more sugar and less groove of cause...and actually there was much better tracks before 94...

In the moment good music is poping up again... And as usual far away from the hype machine.. Maybe its good this way... but i sometimes would wish that also original music by original creators would find a wider audience...

When people like this sascha would have a deeper knowledge they could use theire popularity to promote something good...but that would mean that they take a risk..and that is by far to risky for them..

House/Tech/Drum&bass... music never would have happened without people that was willing to take a risk...

D K · Post by **D K** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:21 pm

Sure ... well... thier popularity has an impact on your perception of them.

Truth is they helped launched the house / progressive scene in america thru coming to Orlando (Ahazz) and Twilo. Boosted the club scene, record sale, and recognition for edm / dance as a whole.

Truth. So, whether you like them or what they do or not, if you produce or spin electronic they helped raise awareness for what you do

... is what the point was ..[/quote]

i've really only recently become really aware of who these people are-
(although apparently i've danced to their sets)
and couldn't come up with a sound in my head to relate their faces to music....my personal feelings are that it's great they're doing well! more power to 'em!
my point is that electronic music is not limited to what your perception of it is.
there's alot more going on in the world than dance trax/dj culture.
dk

bencodec · Post by **bencodec** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:33 pm

[quote="AdamJay"]

N E W S F L A S H !!!

Electronic music is SHITE in the US..../quote]

Here fucking here! nice post.

bencodec · Post by **bencodec** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:39 pm

stallos wrote: I saw sasha in glasgow for the first time in 1995 and I...

I think the point people are making is that club69 in paisley has done more for electronic music then sasha.

supster · Post by **supster** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:28 pm

D K wrote: my point is that electronic music is not limited to what your perception of it is.
there's alot more going on in the world than dance trax/dj culture.
dk

Oh of course there is .. personally, I do and always have listened to electronic music that is not "dance" specific genre.

But .. truth is ... if it weren't Sasha .. someone else would be the focus of this post. Lets say .. in an alternate universe .... Sasha ended up working at a local bakery in Wales.

Richie Hawtin or surgeon instead are headling big stadiums, getting lots of press, atttention, and by default (because of thier noteriety) become poster kids for digital DJ'ing / producing and Ableton Live.

Playing exactly the same music they are now ...

The post would be called "Get ready for more Hawtin posts ..." ... and the responses would be exaclty the same"

- "haha Hawtin blows ... totally not innovative, what trash ... "

- "Well .. never heard of this Hawtin guy, but my (15 year old sister / daughter) has heard of him and listens to his music in clubs, so I'm sure he sucks ... "

- "Bah. Richie Hawtin. I used to listen to his crap when I was brand new to this music and didnt know any better. But now that I am sophisticated and cool ...

... Now I understand he is not underground enough, and therefore I would be ashamed to admit that I ever liked anything he ever did. Silly me. How could I ever have been so uncool???

"

rikhyray · Post by **rikhyray** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:51 am

Well, it is so simple, I am not really into all these electronic stuff and styles, come from different music worlds. Heard the name Sasha so much, OK went there seen the webpage, heard the "tunes" - nothing, soap bubbles, boring stereotypes and cute face. Right now googled for Richi Hawtin and I see art, I am touched, I am impressed, I am moved visualy and the sounds, music have power, substance, I dont care so much who Richi Hawtin was in history of electronica, just what I saw and heard few minutes ago was great. It is that simple, I use my eyes, my ears, and dont give a bother what mtv or silly music magazine may say.
It is not the same if you are not able to perceive with your own senses the difference then maybe you miss something very essential, maybe photography or mountain climbing would be a better hobby. This has nothing to do with liking, I dont like country and western or hillibily but I do hear who is a good singer or banjo player, and who is famous just due to breast implants.
Actually I do not believe you cannot hear it, I think anybody, any hearing creature can hear the difference but perhaps you hear hype, listening with preconditioned mind and not the music itself.
Please dont misunderstand it as personal attack on you or that unfortunate Sasha, just a llittle idea to be more yourself, not unconsciously forcing yourself to like what you "should" like because x,y, z l says, writes, it should be liked.

bencodec · Post by **bencodec** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:12 pm

supster wrote: Richie Hawtin or surgeon instead are headling big stadiums, getting lots of press, atttention, and by default (because of thier noteriety) become poster kids for digital DJ'ing / producing and Ableton Live.

Playing exactly the same music they are now ...

i think that people are irritated by sasha because his music is cookie cutter pop, it's not designed to challenge you whatsoever. to many people electronic music is about pushing musical boundaries and challenging people, creating sounds no one has heard before. sasha is more in the "aqua" or "ace of base" category, it's not that it's horrible that he's popular, it's just that he's about as innovative as britney spears.

there were several "Hawtin" threads up here around the time he was playing at mutek last year and people criticised him for his own flaws. (to many he's not really much of an innovator anymore)

supster · Post by **supster** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:11 pm

bencodec wrote: to many people electronic music is about pushing musical boundaries and challenging people, creating sounds no one has heard before.

sasha is more in the "aqua" or "ace of base" category, it's not that it's horrible that he's popular, it's just that he's about as innovative as britney spears.

Good point about electronic music ...

I suppose by its nature - infinite sound possibility through manipulation - makes it more imperitive for some people that you are always doing something new.

Its not good enough that you do a new twist on an old theme, and/or write to a genre appeals to you and appeals to others already. You need to invent a new tequnique - a new structure - a completely new SOUND as often as you possibly can.

And, considering a lot of people on this forum are producers / artists - know how things are done more or less - what they (sasha, charlie may, junkie xl etc) are not "pushing" it enough.

Thats fair. Remember tho: the more boundaries you push, the more likelly you are to alienate people that already like what you do. And part of DJing on the scale that he does is about pleasing people. People party to what you do.

To say that he is the britney spears of electronic music - now that is pushing it though. Again, I think most of these people have not really given something like Airdrawndagger a real listen. All the way thru. WIthout predjudice.

To the average person, that album IS pushing the boundaries of music. To a producer on this forum using Ableton Live, they are Briteny Spears. Live is funny like that

bencodec wrote: there were several "Hawtin" threads up here around the time he was playing at mutek last year and people criticised him for his own flaws. (to many he's not really much of an innovator anymore)

Im not suprised. Tough crowd on here ... lol ...

Rx · Post by Rx » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:45 pm

supster wrote:To say that he is the britney spears of electronic music - now that is pushing it though. Again, I think most of these people have not really given something like Airdrawndagger a real listen. All the way thru. WIthout predjudice.

To the average person, that album IS pushing the boundaries of music. To a producer on this forum using Ableton Live, they are Briteny Spears. Live is funny like that

the proverbial nail has been hit on the head. one of my influences is Banco de Gaia. to my ears now, it's pretty good stuff, nicely written songs, excellent use of samples. to my ears 10+ years ago, it was nothing short of amazing. i used to listen to 'Live at Glastonbury' and wonder to myself 'live? how the fuck does he do that?'