Is ableton falling behind?

[spaceman]

Never having had any problems with Live regarding crashes or serious bugs, looking at the software from a user perspective coming from Logic, I have to say that Live is not falling behind. Absolutely loving the workflow and its creative possibilities. A breath of fresh air for me.

[3phase]

i had many issues with live 2.0... and than? issues here and there, rather missing feature trouble.. but the tendency to crash was new to me..this came with L8 and seems to be a solid struggle.. at least all the time i open 8.13 i get the ..last time L8 crashed..do you want to restore your work... any single time..even when it hasent crashed !!!
seems to see a normal shut off as a crash now...

however even when people see live as a fresh breath it defenetly is/was behind in many areas..

I was happy that it became possible to truncate clips.... when was this introduced? in L5?
Other daw´s have a dedictated audio editor since the last century... still miss the feature to eliminate clicks by drawing in the waveform...

or midi.. came with L4...but without the ability to have track offsets.. = cant use it with external hardware.. track delays are another standard feature from the last century that also was introduced in L5.. not so long ago..

So live defenetly was heavily behind.. but by now all important things are there.. the gap is not so big anymore.. you basically can do everything without consulting another software..so its a daw now.. just now.. the race to get into the leading group probably has caused the stability issues..
so now the features are there but they are behind in terms of stability and compatibility..
still some way to go..

eventually when they have it all fixed and added surround support they might quallify to lead the field or at least be at par with the leading daw´s..but thats for the DAW part

regarding beeing a stage tool live was ahead all the time..otherwise nobody would have used it..
the stability issue is especially bitter in this regard.. in the moment logic might be the better companion on stage.. it´s the first time in this century i have this thought..

so its maybe true that live is falling behind wright now because of the stability issue..

[HeadrickProductions]

Since it seems that you've been around the scene for a while, do you just use logic as your main daw. How do you think this compares to things like tools, nuendo, etc.


Starting to respect you opinion so I thought I'd ask the loaded question of what DAW you prefer and why


Thanks again for the insight

[3phase]

uhh.. difficult question.. i prefered live.. with all the drawbacks and missing functiosn it was more fun.. but for final production i like pro tools.. just dont own one myself.. and the Le version is really limited.. dont even has latency compensation.. howevre form the workflow protools is something like a multitrack tape machine with an audio editor for each track.. .. and its a capabel multitrack audio editor.. while ableton live is good to compose a track pro tools is defently better when it comes to gettimg a whole album together ... or to record rela musicans and instruments.. the midi side? even worse than abletons..

that brings us to the logic cubase platforms... for people on pc no question.. cubase...

for people on mac? you cant beat the price/value relation of logic.. so i use it.. not so straight forward as pro tools but a complete swiss knife of audio tools.. i can achive a better sound quality with logic than with abketon live..
similar to protools logic is better suited to compile a whole album ... the automation is pretty good... the handling .. so la la.. i actually prffered the old logic versions where not everything was in one window.. but you still can have that when you create yourself a good set of screen shots ...

cubase.. its quite a while since i used it but a friend of me is working with it and it looks and sounds pretty good...

defenetly can compete with logic.. i think its even better.. but more expensiv...

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actually i cant really recomend the all in one DAW... i would say Live and one of the three i mentioned...

which one depends on personal prefferences.. if digidisign would work with my rme interfaces i personally would preffer pro tools and life combi.. life to play around.. pro tools to edit and get it ready to mix...

and than i go in a propper studio with a nice api desk and mix it all down analoge.. they all have a pro-tools theese days.

defently dont hurts to know how to work it.. buts just me.. i like protools because of its simplicity.. its really the succsessor of the good ol multitrack recorder.. not the super duper 10000 feature daw...


actually theese days its better to know your way around in all of them.. ableton life as playground is defently a good choice because it is the only pattern based one around...

as playground daw there are also fruity loops and reason ... ableton life , fruity loops, reason... one of them...

and workhorse, production daw,s, the ones you choose when having paying customers in the studio,
logic , cubase , protools... one of them..

i think you have to pick a pair to cover the whole field of audio production tasks that might come along.

[distaudio]

I'm bored, can we start talking business models?

I write my best tunes when I have been talking about business models.

[evon]

When you get into things like support for third party vsts, audio units, and max for live it's like opening a pandora's box for problems. It's funny because restrictions can also HELP workflow, just look at how Reason users have been able to overcome obstacles to make some great music.

So yeah, you heard it here first: ABLETON - I WANT MORE RESTRICTIONS within the software.

Not exactly the first I believe I have that claim

I like Cubase, it dosent allow you to do anything foolish. There are worthwhile/useful sonic boundries present. I am (learning to)using Cubase 5, however I now use Live to finish mixing. I also use Reason, mostly for drum rolls.

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=142966

[evon]

In fact it seems that I am an advocate of that:

It's like rats from a sinking ship....

Cubase is solid....give it a try, but reason 5 is on the horizon so you might want to consider waiting a little bit

will reason 5 support VST?

You see..probably that is where the secret lies. Probably we dont need all this customizability, especially with something as complex as a DAW.
I cant forget the Bill Gates revolution.Perhaps to keep thir product wholesome and along the same track with which they had it built in the first place, the DAW buildersshould protect this by only allowing customization in designated groupings. Notice that all the great sounding DAWs have this in common. They just dont allow ad hoc customization. I guess this proves that we are still oh so young in the DAw industry.

That could be another reason why Live seems so awesome, because if it can do what it does right now, imagine What a force it will be when it can sound like these DAWs off the bat.