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glitchrock-buddha wrote: I much prefer the midi side of things in Ableton (the piano roll ease of use, racks for mdid instruments, midi effects, the midi routing between tracks, easier midi learn, better plug-in support as far as parameter configuration etc.).

Logics strengths midi wise are the Event editor with it's MIDI editing abilities, and the simple fact that you can compare beats between multiple piano roll editors side by side, which you can't do in Live. I end up using Logic/DP for the surgical stuff, I'll take a MIDI file into them from Live and get the clinical little things tight.

Reaper has unbelievable routing too, although it can get very complex.


Cubase improved it's routing in C4.1 to be much less restrictive.

I love Cubase's Sample editor, to me editing clip envelopes in Live is much less intuitive, I have a whole bunch of self defined macros such as silence, fade, etc. and for working with the variaudio function it just works.

I do prefer Live's warping though, I find Cubase very cumbersome for this.

One feature I've heard advertised for Logic 9 is interesting to me. I read somewhere that you could record, guitar for example, on the fly with no metronome, and then later map that to a tempo pretty easily. This could be done in Live, but would require (unless I'm doing it wrong which is highly likely) a fair amount of effort going along nipping and tucking warp markers from beginning to end.

Has anyone used this feature of Logic? Does it work as advertised? Is there an easy way to do this in Live?

skipkent wrote:One feature I've heard advertised for Logic 9 is interesting to me. I read somewhere that you could record, guitar for example, on the fly with no metronome, and then later map that to a tempo pretty easily. This could be done in Live, but would require (unless I'm doing it wrong which is highly likely) a fair amount of effort going along nipping and tucking warp markers from beginning to end.

Has anyone used this feature of Logic? Does it work as advertised? Is there an easy way to do this in Live?

Live allows you to quantize audio in a clip. Just right click and select quantize; should be some grid options in there naturally. In my experience it's quite spot on for stuff like bass-playing; guitar gets trickier. Obviously it's creating warp markers at transients and then aligning them to a grid, but it's pretty much exactly what you are talking about.

-M

I'll have to experiment with that. I have a lot to learn about audio quantize, groove and that sort of thing.

skipkent wrote:One feature I've heard advertised for Logic 9 is interesting to me. I read somewhere that you could record, guitar for example, on the fly with no metronome, and then later map that to a tempo pretty easily. This could be done in Live, but would require (unless I'm doing it wrong which is highly likely) a fair amount of effort going along nipping and tucking warp markers from beginning to end.

Has anyone used this feature of Logic? Does it work as advertised? Is there an easy way to do this in Live?

Logic (and DP, I'm told) has a beat-mapping feature that will create a tempo track from MIDI or audio. Works great. It doesn't by itself change the recorded guitar and line it up on the beat. It might be (probably is) straightforward to take the next step and use the flex audio stuff to lock audio to the grid and then remove the complicated tempo map in favor of a nice simple grid, with Logic stretching and compressing the audio appropriately to get everything lined up. I've never tried that though, I might be wrong about the second step...

Live is kind of the contrary, it doesn't have (AFAIK) an analysis tool that will create a tempo map for the whole song from a long MIDI or audio region, but it's a piece of cake once you have warp markers in place to lock them to the grid and quantize the audio.

-Luddy