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i love live but i am, out of principle, selling my suite 8 license if they announce live 9 and wants users to pay for it.
live 8 isnt even working proerly yet, nor is the share service which was marketed as one of the major features for 8 working either.
too bad since that was the biggest one on my list for buying 8. oh, and looper, which also doesnt work properly.

illsub1 wrote:Who cares about a version 9. What more do you possibly need to do with the program. 8 has everything I could need right now.

How selfish.

friend_kami wrote:oh, and looper, which also doesnt work properly.

What do you mean?

For me they can make a small 8.5 update first, where they offer workflow enhancements like the from people so much desired dual monitor support, the free shortcuts or clip automation or whatever users want so badly.
On the other hand if you see what Steinberg has to offer now...quite impressing...

illsub1 wrote:Who cares about a version 9. What more do you possibly need to do with the program.

What I've been asking for since Live 6: The ability to quantize a clip launch to somewhere other than the first beat of a quantization interval.

For example, I would like to be able to set a clip so tthat whenever I launch it, it starts at beat 3 of a bar.

ark wrote:

illsub1 wrote:Who cares about a version 9. What more do you possibly need to do with the program.

What I've been asking for since Live 6: The ability to quantize a clip launch to somewhere other than the first beat of a quantization interval.

For example, I would like to be able to set a clip so tthat whenever I launch it, it starts at beat 3 of a bar.

You can do that. Set the start flag two beats ahead, done. (You might need to mute the first two beats with a volume envelope)

Mister36 wrote:

illsub1 wrote:Who cares about a version 9. What more do you possibly need to do with the program. 8 has everything I could need right now.

How selfish.

friend_kami wrote:oh, and looper, which also doesnt work properly.

What do you mean?

not sure about you but my looper still isnt working properly. it doesnt clear the buffer properly, the multifunction button is acting up and most importantly; live decreases exponentially in stability when looper is in use; the more loopers the more prone it is to crash with whatever error message (or just plain shutdown with no notice) that it wants to throw at you, everything from memory related crashes to just random shutdowns.

live is pretty stable for me aslong as i dont use any vst plugins and stay clear of the looper. i have a setup i have been working with for a long long time that rarely ever crashes, (has been stresstested to death, mind you). bring in one looper and BAM.
clearing the buffer seems to be hard aswell as looper sometimes (when it doesnt crash that is) wants to suddenly play back random snippets from different buffer points that have been since long cleared. great for experimental stuff, not so great for a normal looper.

thats what i mean.

ark wrote:

illsub1 wrote:Who cares about a version 9. What more do you possibly need to do with the program.

What I've been asking for since Live 6: The ability to quantize a clip launch to somewhere other than the first beat of a quantization interval.

For example, I would like to be able to set a clip so tthat whenever I launch it, it starts at beat 3 of a bar.

dear god yes.

it could be smart about it to, say in the clip view you start the loop at beat 3 after you set 1.1.1 then it automatically starts from there when it's launched. No more messing about with a pre-roll before your loop. Though a simple preference to turn this way of working off would be handy as well.

pepezabala wrote:

ark wrote:

illsub1 wrote:Who cares about a version 9. What more do you possibly need to do with the program.

What I've been asking for since Live 6: The ability to quantize a clip launch to somewhere other than the first beat of a quantization interval.

For example, I would like to be able to set a clip so tthat whenever I launch it, it starts at beat 3 of a bar.

You can do that. Set the start flag two beats ahead, done. (You might need to mute the first two beats with a volume envelope)

No, that doesn't work, because it ends the previously playing clip at the beginning of the bar. I want the old clip to keep playing until the instant the new clip starts.

Also, muting the first two beats doesn't work, because they will be muted each time through the clip if it's looping.

Would legato mode with quantization set to 1/2 bar (assuming you're working in 4/4) not do what you want?

Or maybe using two additional clip slots, one with the first two beats of the original and the last two of the new one which follows to play a full new one after one play? Where the original clip is the one you want to still be playing until the new, 3rd beat clip starts. Although obviously not necessarily an "on the fly" solution.


As for the Looper issues, I haven't experienced any of them. Yet... :/

Mister36 wrote:Would legato mode with quantization set to 1/2 bar (assuming you're working in 4/4) not do what you want?

No, sorry; the example I gave was somewhat simplified. A more typical example (for me) is that I have music in 12/8 with phrases that I want to start on the last 8th note of a bar.

Mister36 wrote: Or maybe using two additional clip slots, one with the first two beats of the original and the last two of the new one which follows to play a full new one after one play? Where the original clip is the one you want to still be playing until the new, 3rd beat clip starts. Although obviously not necessarily an "on the fly" solution.

The trouble with that is that if I have three such clips, and I want to transition from whichever one is playing to either of the others, I now need 9 clips overall: the looped clip and a transition clip to either of the others. If I have four such clips, I need 16, and so on.

Moreover, the idea of having different clips for looping and transition crashes and burns when you try to combine it with follow actions.

Fair enough. The added complexity of more complex time signatures dose make it more... complex.

Though, as a workaround, I still think the additional transitional clip could work. Couldn't it be set to just follow onto the next clip (the full new one) after one play? Then each time you launch that transitional clip, the full one will follow it and you can carry on with your day.

Mister36 wrote:Fair enough. The added complexity of more complex time signatures dose make it more... complex.

Though, as a workaround, I still think the additional transitional clip could work. Couldn't it be set to just follow onto the next clip (the full new one) after one play? Then each time you launch that transitional clip, the full one will follow it and you can carry on with your day.

No, because what I really want is to have a selection of clips, each with a random follow action, and each of which starts at a beat other than the beginning of a bar.

The solution I proposed to Ableton is very, very simple: I think Live should honor clip start and end points even for looped clips, and should do so in a way that always lines 1:1:1 up with a quantization interval.

In my case, I would have a clip that is, say, 8 bars long in 12/8, that starts at -1:12:1, and that ends wherever it makes musical sense for it to end. That way, when I launch it, it starts the next time beat 12 of a bar comes around (i.e. if I'm too late for this bar, it starts at beat 12 of the next one), has a 1-beat pickup, and then loops with a last beat that does not necessarily repeat the pickup.

If you want an example of the reason I want to do this, listen to this where the lead comes in at about 7:52.

ah, i see what you mean. That would be useful too. I was coming at it from a stacking a new track/clip situation.

All I want from Live 9 is MIDI warp.

friend_kami wrote:

Mister36 wrote:

illsub1 wrote:Who cares about a version 9. What more do you possibly need to do with the program. 8 has everything I could need right now.

How selfish.

friend_kami wrote:oh, and looper, which also doesnt work properly.

What do you mean?

not sure about you but my looper still isnt working properly. it doesnt clear the buffer properly, the multifunction button is acting up and most importantly; live decreases exponentially in stability when looper is in use; the more loopers the more prone it is to crash with whatever error message (or just plain shutdown with no notice) that it wants to throw at you, everything from memory related crashes to just random shutdowns.

live is pretty stable for me aslong as i dont use any vst plugins and stay clear of the looper. i have a setup i have been working with for a long long time that rarely ever crashes, (has been stresstested to death, mind you). bring in one looper and BAM.
clearing the buffer seems to be hard aswell as looper sometimes (when it doesnt crash that is) wants to suddenly play back random snippets from different buffer points that have been since long cleared. great for experimental stuff, not so great for a normal looper.

thats what i mean.

Same problem here. Usually works great, but try to incorporate that Multi-function button and it wigs out occasioanlly. Best to stay with the Play, Record and Overdub as separate buttons/controls with Looper.