Zeitgeist the movie (would be mandatory viewing if up 2 me)

The Phat Conductor · Post by **The Phat Conductor** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:32 pm

rosko: remote control would be the cheapest and easiest i imagine.

that was proposed in operation northwoods (which was to be a fake terror incident used to spark war with cuba).

also: i was suggesting you read the declassified cia documents, not 'some conspiracy site'.

anyway, like i said, if you want to flame me, bait me, ask stupid questions, etc. you're just wasting your time. i've heard it all before.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:44 pm

hoffman2k wrote:at least complete the damn thing before you start ranting

Sorry. Someone came into my cubicle and wanted to talk about work

and I got all sidetracked. Tomorrow is the US' version of Canada Day, rest of the week if vacation.

Anyway, I'm mostly listening, not watching.

Overall the last 1/3 of the movie is VERY MUCH worth watching, the first part is a great topic for its own movie, this middle is just toooo much to watch. I know enough 9/11 theories to talk it over with people who bought into Bush, I'm a bit overwhelmed with info on that topic.

Moving on... (enough with pics of WTC 'divers' that's sick and offensive, sorry but there has to be some integrity and respect shown.)

Central banks!! Good topic!!!

Nice explanation of the cause of the great depression.

Income Tax is unconstitutional and unlawful!!?!?! Never properly ratified?!?!

wait wait, so the WTC buildings were modern day Lusitanias?? Holy #$%^!!

US WWII funding, crazy shit... woot there he is, Prescott Bush.

the dude at 1:23:04 is my hero!!

Gulf of Tonkin, I didn't know those details.

1.35.36 - that's a crazy quote, Hitler sounding like Bush with no stretch of the imagination.

I hadn't heard of the 'Amero' before, gotta look that up.

Wow that David Rockefeller quote is chilling, does he live on this planet??

I'm going to go hide under my tin foil hat.

Nice post Phat Conductor!! Definitely worth watching.

To the Christians who don't like the first part - That presentation in the begining is fact (albeit glossed over quickly) but you don't have to take it to dismiss your beliefs, you really should know the history of your religion.

mikemc · Post by **mikemc** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:56 pm

+1 to what TD said, didn't see the need for some of the imagery, but some interesting information.

I thought the astrological/astronomical information was very well illustrated. Wonder how much of climate change is due to the 'wobbling' orbit?

You've got to filter everything and throw some stuff out, also ask who/what funds it regardless of where it comes from-- didn't see any information re: funding.

zstowasser · Post by **zstowasser** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:19 pm

Nod wrote:
Fizmarble wrote:I was interested in seeing it until someone who liked the movie said that the words of Bill Hicks were wise.
'It's just a ride, and we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money, a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. I'm gonna share with you a vision that I had, cause I love you. And you feel it. You know all that money we spend on nuclear weapons and defence each year, trillions of dollars, correct? Instead... just play with this... if we spent that money feeding and clothing the poor of the world, and it would pay for it many times over, not one human being excluded and we can explore space together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace. Thank you very much you've been great, I hope you enjoyed it...' - Bill Hicks

That quote is so wise!! I've been asking that question for a while now.. fear is holding our planet back and could destroy us! How about we realize our potential and stop killing eachother!

M. Bréqs · Post by **M. Bréqs** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:19 pm

mikemc wrote: Wonder how much of climate change is due to the 'wobbling' orbit?

...About as much as solar activity and greenhouse gas I imagine. "Single cause theories" are usually wrong.

Just like everything wrong in the world is the fault of Western Civilization. Another stupid "Single Cause theory".

mikemc · Post by **mikemc** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:29 pm

M. Bréqs wrote:
mikemc wrote: Wonder how much of climate change is due to the 'wobbling' orbit?
...About as much as solar activity and greenhouse gas I imagine. "Single cause theories" are usually wrong.

Just like everything wrong in the world is the fault of Western Civilization. Another stupid "Single Cause theory".

I think it tends towards being a ball of confusion: that's what the world is today.

Hey Hey.

Rosko · Post by **Rosko** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:31 pm

The Phat Conductor wrote:rosko: remote control would be the cheapest and easiest i imagine.

that was proposed in operation northwoods (which was to be a fake terror incident used to spark war with cuba).

also: i was suggesting you read the declassified cia documents, not 'some conspiracy site'.

anyway, like i said, if you want to flame me, bait me, ask stupid questions, etc. you're just wasting your time. i've heard it all before.

So they orchestrated the flying of 4 passenger planes that included taxing the runway from the terminal. I'm guessing the air stewardess would have been robots to not arouse suspicion of the passengers? Or are you saying there was no passengers at all & the people who where supposed to have died where killed some other way? Are you arguing that the plane took off from a secret millitary base

Can you not see like a million holes in this theory the more you look into it?

I can think of a much simpler & cheaper way myself, also if i was president then i don't think i would fly a plane into my own government building.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:31 pm

mikemc wrote:
M. Bréqs wrote:
mikemc wrote: Wonder how much of climate change is due to the 'wobbling' orbit?
...About as much as solar activity and greenhouse gas I imagine. "Single cause theories" are usually wrong.

Just like everything wrong in the world is the fault of Western Civilization. Another stupid "Single Cause theory".
I think it tends towards being a ball of confusion: that's what the world is today.

Hey Hey.

zstowasser · Post by **zstowasser** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:50 pm

Rosko wrote:
The Phat Conductor wrote:rosko: remote control would be the cheapest and easiest i imagine.

that was proposed in operation northwoods (which was to be a fake terror incident used to spark war with cuba).

also: i was suggesting you read the declassified cia documents, not 'some conspiracy site'.

anyway, like i said, if you want to flame me, bait me, ask stupid questions, etc. you're just wasting your time. i've heard it all before.
So they orchestrated the flying of 4 passenger planes that included taxing the runway from the terminal. I'm guessing the air stewardess would have been robots to not arouse suspicion of the passengers? Or are you saying there was no passengers at all & the people who where supposed to have died where killed some other way? Are you arguing that the plane took off from a secret millitary base
Can you not see like a million holes in this theory the more you look into it?

I can think of a much simpler & cheaper way myself, also if i was president then i don't think i would fly a plane into my own government building.

There are "a million holes" in the official story, and scientific / physical laws being broken - such as the buildings falling at freefall speed - is not possible if each floor were to crash in on itself. Plus everything was turned to dust, rather than big chunks of crushed material.

As far as who/what flew the planes, Its pointless to argue on things that we don't know. We MAY know the truth 30 years from now like we are finding out now today about vietnam via declassified documents.

HOWEVER if Cheney has his way, these documents may never be seen. There is a big power struggle going on right now in washington.

quote: Henry Waxman, who may be the nation's most diligent and vigilant member of Congress, recently reported that Vice President Cheney claims he is exempt from the presidential orders requiring government-wide procedures to safeguard classified national security information because he is not an "entity within the executive branch." According to information provided to Chairman Waxman's Oversight committee, Cheney further claimed he was not an "agency" as set forth in the Executive Orders.

more info:

http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=507

Lets focus on FACTS and SCIENCE and see where the truth takes us..

I also agree the movie was a bit over the top, but it shook us up.. thats what they wanted to do. we should be getting mad that we are all working like slaves and the government takes most of our wages for taxes that is spent on war and to pay off the interest of our inflated monetary supply!!

We should be living great abundant lives in peace, not hectic, money pinched, stressful lives full of fear and debt.

Nod · Post by **Nod** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:58 pm

zstowasser wrote:That quote is so wise!! I've been asking that question for a while now.. fear is holding our planet back and could destroy us! How about we realize our potential and stop killing eachother!

Sadly Zstowasser that is extremely unlikely as, partly/poorly tackled by the initial segment of the film, it has to be said that throughout history, humans have believed in some pretty odd things. For example, a very large number of people indeed still believe that the entire universe, with its thousands of local groups, each containing hundreds of galaxies, each in turn containing millions of planets was created by a deeply insecure sky fairy, or one of his ridiculous minions, in order that on one planet, in one of those galaxies, he could play a sort of cosmic tabletop wargame with some partially-bald monkeys

zstowasser · Post by **zstowasser** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:15 am

We must stay positive and have hope. Look how far we've come in the last few hundred years, we can't give up and let the evil people win. Envision the change you want to see. Inspire others.

Years ago, people believed the world was flat, the planets orbited the earth, etc and people were killed for believing/thinking otherwise.

today we have the internet, which is amazing for spreading and discussing information. Years past this information would be incredibly hard to distribute and people would be killed for doing so as well.

We have the tools to expand our minds and find the truth, lets use our connections and spread the word one by one to our closest friends and then in turn they will continue spreading the message.

I'm so saddened by the state of America right now, in our culture I see so many people miserable and working like slaves. And countless wars we've been involved in or currently war waging that is wasting money and lives.

jrathkopf · Post by **jrathkopf** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:08 am

thanks for the heads up on his documentary PhatConductor.
lots of fascinating information.
i didnt know about Prescott Bush and the nazi money.
lots of interesting information.

and i am not sick of 9/11 conspiracy theories. i am sick of how these issues have been left unaccounted for and unaswered. as a new yorker, who saw his neighborhood fireteam get knocked out in brooklyn, and how I rememberspeople on the street with pictures in their hands frantically searching for loved ones, it disgusts me to look at the footage of the towers getting demolished and being told that it is from extreme heat. bullshit.

Before dismissing or labeling this as "conspiracy theory", allow yourself to view this with an open mind and perhaps you will find yourself disgusted by the international financial leaders who have led us into a world of greed, death and injustice all in the name of money time and timem again.

thelocalhost · Post by **thelocalhost** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:04 am

The sources page is weak as fuck. Particularly for Part 1.

And then this trite quote on the site:

zeitdouche wrote:That being said, it is my hope that people will not take what is said
in the film as the truth, but find out for themselves, for truth is not told, it is realized.

cosmosuave · Post by **cosmosuave** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:39 am

The stuff about RFID chip is scary and that part about the Amero... I would call it the Camero instead sounds better... Well I can see the next big takeover will be South America since they never mentioned it except for Chavez...

The Phat Conductor · Post by **The Phat Conductor** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:42 am

glad i could be of assistance

i like you cats a lot, so it makes me happy to know i helped fuel something you think is useful/interesting.

keep the faith!

d

(and PS: i also think the last 1/3 of the movie is the most important)