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udp wrote:incredible knack for melody. Many people didn't like Airdrawndagger; I found it beautiful, melodical. Perhaps the people critisizing Sasha also find Bernstein, Barber, and Copland boring. Writing or "arranging" good melodies is truly a gift not to be taken lightly. I wish I had better melodical sense. That's why I listen to Bernstein and Sasha, to try to learn from them.

What is "melody" or "melodical"?

anonymouse wrote: sasha-basha.

LOL

(just caught that, I'm a little late on that but touche! ..hehe)

btw: staying with the "lets target famous producers in the spotlight and whether or not they actually suck" theme going on here ...

There's one obvious thing that almost every person that becomes notorious for writing music has done:

At some point they wrote and probably performed music that a lot of people liked. It crossed enough boundaries, and someone in "the industry" pushed it, and enough different peoples liked it that they became well known for it.

Only point of this being: a lot of musician / producer / artiste / techy types have more esoteric taste in music. The kind of taste that your mom is probably not going to like.

Writing music that touches a lot of people involves melody, arrangement, and a sense of what "works" for people. Whatever you want to say about
Sasha, he does have that.

basetwo wrote:

udp wrote:incredible knack for melody. Many people didn't like Airdrawndagger; I found it beautiful, melodical. Perhaps the people critisizing Sasha also find Bernstein, Barber, and Copland boring. Writing or "arranging" good melodies is truly a gift not to be taken lightly. I wish I had better melodical sense. That's why I listen to Bernstein and Sasha, to try to learn from them.

What is "melody" or "melodical"?

I'm reading Robert Jordain's "Music, the Brain and Ecstasy" (refers to the enotion, not the pill) He tries to scientifically explain why some melodies live throughout time and why most don't. Very interesting read so far. It is certainly undeniable that some melodies effect great masses of people, while others simply don't.

Great!

I haven't even read this thread, but can i just say how happy i am that we're back to bashing or defending talentless fuckwits like sasha instead of operator.

dallas! wrote:Personnely I think all this Sasha bashing should stop. Give the guy a break. He's pioneering a new way for all Dj's with Ableton, without him stuff like this would still be frowned upon...

Hey Dallas, I'm not a fan of Sasha but at the same time I have nothing against him.

However, I would have to strongly disagree that Sasha is Pioneering a new way for all dj's with Ableton. Sasha is defintely not a pioneer in this area imho and only recently caught on to Ableton. I think Sashas endorsement of Ableton, and thus of laptop djing in general, has if anything helped to give some legitimacy to computer dj's in the eyes of the masses/general public/mainstream-underground and what have you.

So yes, maybe there are less frowns from the less enlightened folks in club land as a result of a big name like Sasha using ableton but I think the word pioneer is not merrited here. Sasha is hardly the first, or even one of the first, to use ableton for this purpose. Just the first really big name.

Maybe in your eyes that makes him a pioneer? In my eyes it does not.

Just my 2 cent,

peace

dallas! wrote:Personnely I think all this Sasha bashing should stop. Give the guy a break. He's pioneering a new way for all Dj's with Ableton

no he's not. he's just the first one with a publicist.

for the sake of ableton and general awareness i'm glad he's doing it. i don't personally have anything to bash him about beyond his crap music. but as has long been the case with sasha, he is pioneering nothing.

drush wrote:but as has long been the case with sasha, he is pioneering nothing.

he pioneered the definition of the new word "Geigh", its like Gay but without the homophobia.

oh dear, i'm thinking out loud on the forums again.

i've seen sasha in san francisco, and was unimpressed, but i do like the fact that he has adopted a visible laptop aestetic. i dont have to like his music to appreciate the fact that he makes it easier for me to get gigs with a computer.

I've been playing live with computers for years, and in the last 2 or 3, it has become much easier to be taken seriously with a laptop. i get regular "DJ" gigs now, and i make slightly more money from my live sets. go, sasha, go...

sasha isn't a pioneer, but his visibilty definitely helps legitimize laptop performance. oh yeah, i saw Cash Money a couple of weeks ago, at Plan B, in brixton, and he was dropping a dope ass hip hop set using serato scratch and a powerbook. now there's an endorsement. he's old school hip hop, and he was scratching up a storm...

leisuremuffin wrote:Great!

bashing or defending talentless fuckwits

So, let me get this straight: I'm not sure what side you're on?

I'm glad that he's using his clout to make Laptop DJing acceptable and that he's trying to up his DJing game by using Live. Say what you like about him, but he's up there and there's a reason that he got there. He does feel melody exceptionally well and my only complaint with him is that he's sometimes to soft, whereas someone like Digweed will give it horns every now and again, usually just about the time when you were thinking of moving off to the bar or chill out room.

[sarcasm] right, Sasha is like the Bach of dance music. [/sarcasm]

i have to agree with the original post - he's fucking shit

total utter shit

mosca

leisuremuffin wrote:[sarcasm] right, Sasha is like the Bach of dance music. [/sarcasm]

No need for sarcasm there, he's dull and overrated...

-Paws

lol ... I have to say this, cause it needs to be said:

some of you guys that are the biggest haters, have posted your
music and / or run down the kind of stuff that works for you

And I have to say, a lot of it is hard edge, glitchy, minimal, really
annoying if you are not in the mood for it ... and

.. well, a lot of people would say it was noisy crap

Not me nessarily. I listen to a lot of stuff, always have. But, I just think its really ironic

I'm not really so gung ho defending sasha here, I just see the way
people think sometimes and I am scratching my fucking head