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evon wrote: Sorry to disappoint you my friend... but I believe, listening to the comments here over the years, that most people on this forum will agree to that statement unreservedly. However, we still continue to use Live and will die for Live and I will leave you to figure that out.

Totally agree! Ableton live does color the mix a little. It is slight but it is there. All programs have there unique sound. It all has to do with the math and how it implements incredible complex algorithms and processes.

Note on recording... If you were in a studio doing a take with 100 tracks ablteon would just crash. It's not a 64 bit program.That is why it is not even in the same category as many daws... That being said in electronic and live performance it is hands down great.

Every program has it's faults and strengths. If people tell you other wise they are lying to themselves.

2beats wrote:Ableton live does color the mix a little. It is not that noticeable, but it is there. All programs have there unique sound. It all has to do with the math and how it implements incredible complex algorithms and processes.

Please read this: http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=147628

And also this: http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=163893

2beats wrote:

evon wrote: Sorry to disappoint you my friend... but I believe, listening to the comments here over the years, that most people on this forum will agree to that statement unreservedly. However, we still continue to use Live and will die for Live and I will leave you to figure that out.

Totally agree! Ableton live does color the mix a little. It is not that noticeable, but it is there. All programs have there unique sound. It all has to do with the math and how it implements incredible complex algorithms and processes.

Note on recording... If you were in a studio doing a take with 100 tracks ablteon would just crash. It's not a 64 bit program.That is why it is not even in the same category as many daws... That being said in electronic and love performance it is hands down great.

Every program has it's faults and strengths. If people tell you other wise they are lying to themselves.

Can't find a quadruple facepalm pic right now, but that's what's required here...

I'm getting out of this thread before I start smashing shit up.

Oh, there it is...

That second article was great. Thanks for sharing those.

Nigel Tufnel:(looking at a Ableton Live session) The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the screen, eleven, eleven, eleven and...
Marty DiBergi: Oh, I see. And most DAWS go up to ten?
Nigel Tufnel: Exactly.
Marty DiBergi: Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder?
Nigel Tufnel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your DAW. Where can you go from there? Where?
Marty DiBergi: I don't know.
Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven.
Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder.
Marty DiBergi: Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?
Nigel Tufnel: These go to eleven.

What really galls me about these threads isn't whether an audio engine is good or bad or whatever the fuck is going on (there's plenty of nice balanced reading on the topic), it's the lack of artistic spirit in these pernickety little bastards who want to needlessly bicker about how differentiations in algorithms will somehow ruin their otherwise masterpiece mixes instead of either a) fine tuning knowledge or b)having fun with music. You've reached your conclusion. Good for you. Are you trying to convert the rest of us to your way of thinking with your snide, self-congratulatory little putzisms? Is that what you're trying to achieve? Because you'd have to be retarded not to realise that coming off as a total asshat is not the way to win over an audience.

Cezband wrote:What really galls me about these threads isn't whether an audio engine is good or bad or whatever the fuck is going on (there's plenty of nice balanced reading on the topic), it's the lack of artistic spirit in these pernickety little bastards who want to needlessly bicker about how differentiations in algorithms will somehow ruin their otherwise masterpiece mixes instead of either a) fine tuning knowledge or b)having fun with music. You've reached your conclusion. Good for you. Are you trying to convert the rest of us to your way of thinking with your snide, self-congratulatory little putzisms? Is that what you're trying to achieve? Because you'd have to be retarded not to realise that coming off as a total asshat is not the way to win over an audience.

that.

beviz wrote:

Cezband wrote:What really galls me about these threads isn't whether an audio engine is good or bad or whatever the fuck is going on (there's plenty of nice balanced reading on the topic), it's the lack of artistic spirit in these pernickety little bastards who want to needlessly bicker about how differentiations in algorithms will somehow ruin their otherwise masterpiece mixes instead of either a) fine tuning knowledge or b)having fun with music. You've reached your conclusion. Good for you. Are you trying to convert the rest of us to your way of thinking with your snide, self-congratulatory little putzisms? Is that what you're trying to achieve? Because you'd have to be retarded not to realise that coming off as a total asshat is not the way to win over an audience.

that.

in a nutshell

The mac version of any DAW sounds better than the PC version.

Cuz mac OS gives all the 0's and 1's a shiny big cat purr sound! When Lion comes out it will make the distortion roar more too.




(waits for virtual punch-up...)

Piplodocus wrote:The mac version of any DAW sounds better than the PC version.

Cuz mac OS gives all the 0's and 1's a shiny big cat purr sound! When Lion comes out it will make the distortion roar more too.




(waits for virtual punch-up...)

On some PCs (so I've heard) the 1's can be as low as 0.997 and the 0's can be anywhere between -0.001 and +0.014.

crumhorn wrote:On some PCs (so I've heard) the 1's can be as low as 0.997 and the 0's can be anywhere between -0.001 and +0.014.

It's probably the added capacitance and inductance and resultant phase shift because they're so physically big. That's why steve jobs insists on macs being so small and thin; to make the phase shift nicer and reduce cancellation.

Hehehe..you know its amazin.. even though this topic is such a beaten track...it amazes me to see how it still continues to attract so much attention. Wish there was some way I could capitalize on all this traffic.

My conclusion is that people still want to know why some DAW's sound better than others. And with all the pros and cons there still has been no definite decider. It probably will always be a just a reality of life...Democrats and Republicans, Christian and Muslim etc.

The funny thing is that these various groups are capitalizing on the feud..well...I guess the DAW markers are benefiting from our continuous discourses when the crowd swings one way or the other. Therefore, since I am not a DAW maker is possible the best reason for me to leave this topic alone and never mention it again...until I start making DAWs that is.

Bye..catch you.

Piplodocus wrote:The mac version of any DAW sounds better than the PC version.

Cuz mac OS gives all the 0's and 1's a shiny big cat purr sound! When Lion comes out it will make the distortion roar more too.




(waits for virtual punch-up...)

You want to start a next fight...meet me outside asshole

crumhorn wrote:

beviz wrote:

Cezband wrote:What really galls me about these threads isn't whether an audio engine is good or bad or whatever the fuck is going on (there's plenty of nice balanced reading on the topic), it's the lack of artistic spirit in these pernickety little bastards who want to needlessly bicker about how differentiations in algorithms will somehow ruin their otherwise masterpiece mixes instead of either a) fine tuning knowledge or b)having fun with music. You've reached your conclusion. Good for you. Are you trying to convert the rest of us to your way of thinking with your snide, self-congratulatory little putzisms? Is that what you're trying to achieve? Because you'd have to be retarded not to realise that coming off as a total asshat is not the way to win over an audience.

that.

in a nutshell

there's nothing like knowing (or thinking you know) how something works... to come along and take the magic right out of it.

i wonder if Quincy Jones endlessly pursues and feels the need to stay in the face of the makers and users of trumpets and/or DAWs he dislikes?

WWDMD - what would deadmau5 do? switch DAWs and fuck off or hang around attacking his previous choice beyond the point of pointlessness?

well, gotta go there's this forum for this product i don't really care for that much, i need to log in and try to sound educated while i complain about that item for a while.