"Bitch fight"- DeadMau5,Skrillex&co-get some popcorn

[sigabort]

i hear ya

it was a good read. found very interesting. would recommend

[LoopStationZebra]

Self important twats.

Having said that, the DeadMau5 essay was pure unadulterated GENIUS.

[beats me]

Wont argue with that rikhyray.

But at least DJs play music that has been 'recorded' in the best place to 'record' music - the studio.

But shite musicians playing shite through a shite PA manned by a shite live sound engineer...

Un infammia.

If God had meant music to sound best at a gig he wouldn't have blessed us with recording studios.

(The existence of which proves to anyone without cloth ears just how shite gigs are)

Personal taste aside, went and saw a slew of hardcore punk bands at "Rain Fest". Every single band sounded great! most better than on their recordings. Hard rock music, metal and hardcore in particular owns electronic music live. I think it's that the sound was derived with live experience in mind whereas Electronic music and various forms of pop are all about the studio and a clean listening experience etc.

Saw Ozzy a few years back at a multi stage/multi genre festival and hitting up Ozzy right after several hours of bass heavy electro Ozzy sounded like pure SHIT. It was like they didn’t have a bass player or kick drum comparatively. I had to walk away after about 3 songs.

[ze2be]

The only audience left is young girls. Young girls like Justin Bieber, One Direction, and Maroone Five...

More popcorn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onpvTpb7EyQ

[cmcpress]

some of y'all talk like you don't know what live music is.

http://youtu.be/YmfNbgwfxcA

http://youtu.be/uSQXEYmVW_s

http://youtu.be/Xxzs3lGSu2U

[Komodovaran]

Lmao at Ingrosso thinking that his CDJs = real time skillz. I've heard these mixes. I've seen these mixes. I've mixed myself. You play a song for 3 minutes, twiddle knobs while it's playing, and then you mix it over to a different song, for another 3 minutes.

[regretfullySaid]

More popcorn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onpvTpb7EyQ

You just served this thread.

If this doesn't make you cry then I feel sorry for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onpvTpb7 ... ge#t=3364s
One of them has a penis, guess which one
(? ? ?? ?!)

I seriously wouldn't hold back from getting on stage once the end music starts but the fun would end for me very quickly because I'd get pulled off the stage from dry humping all the asian chicks.

JUST LIGHT UP THE NIGHT
AND THE MUSIC ALRIGHT
MU-DU HAN-A TWEI-OH
WE GONE PARTY TONITE

MUSIC MAKES ME HIGHER
MUSIC MAKES ME STRONGER
MUSIC MAKES ME DANCE ALL NITE
JUST LIVE IT UP

HOW CAN U HATE ON THAT WE ALL LIVE BY THAT MOTTO
SHM FORVERRRRR


fuck I can't stop watching the end credits

[beatmunga]

This did make me cry. With gratitude.

For how American popular culture has been taken up wholesale by other peoples of The World.

Beautiful to behold. Well done, USA!

[H20nly]

*zips pants*

no problem.

[Linear Phase]

The only audience left is young girls. Young girls like Justin Bieber, One Direction, and Maroone Five...

More popcorn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onpvTpb7EyQ

All this time playing around with music. What I should have done with my life is hairspray, gel, wax, and frizz remover...

[Machinesworking]

Personal taste aside, went and saw a slew of hardcore punk bands at "Rain Fest". Every single band sounded great! most better than on their recordings. Hard rock music, metal and hardcore in particular owns electronic music live. I think it's that the sound was derived with live experience in mind whereas Electronic music and various forms of pop are all about the studio and a clean listening experience etc.

Why do hard Rock bands bother with studio albums at all then? Seems like a lot of expense when they could get a superior sounding recording from a stereo pair out front at a gig.

Of course, they don't do that because they know the studio album is likely to sound better.

People may think it sounds better at a gig. But it doesn't. It is sheer volume coupled with all the other factors I already listed.

IMO it's because complex distortion like from an electric guitar, bass through 24" speakers and real acoustic drums simply sounds better live.
if you've ever spent time trying to mix and get a well recorded acoustic drum kit to sound as good as it does live or seen a classical concert you simply wouldn't have the opinion you do, unless your ears are not that great.
I am not trying to knock you really, it's just you've gotten defensive and are defending a point that simply can be proven wrong. Recorded sound while one of the coolest things in the history of music simply isn't the same as listening to a real piano etc. I personally don't see it as that different for a live rock band that's on their game with a decent PA. Plus there's a whole kinesthetic dynamic that adds to the experience that is entirely missing from live electronic acts. Completely out of your realm of listening I'm sure is Merzbow, a noise act from Japan. Not at all interesting to me on recordings, but a must see live. Noise being the most complex sound out there suffers the most from 16 bit 44.1 khz.

Sure there's the element of volume and shear speaker size, but there are multiple other reasons why certain acts are better live than on recordings, respectfully disagree, and think you're statement about live music is sort of sad.

[Linear Phase]

In the very distant future; in a very far universe, in a very dark time in the history of man, there shall be noise

[cmcpress]

IMO it's because complex distortion like from an electric guitar, bass through 24" speakers and real acoustic drums simply sounds better live.
if you've ever spent time trying to mix and get a well recorded acoustic drum kit to sound as good as it does live or seen a classical concert you simply wouldn't have the opinion you do, unless your ears are not that great.
I am not trying to knock you really, it's just you've gotten defensive and are defending a point that simply can be proven wrong. Recorded sound while one of the coolest things in the history of music simply isn't the same as listening to a real piano etc. I personally don't see it as that different for a live rock band that's on their game with a decent PA. Plus there's a whole kinesthetic dynamic that adds to the experience that is entirely missing from live electronic acts. Completely out of your realm of listening I'm sure is Merzbow, a noise act from Japan. Not at all interesting to me on recordings, but a must see live. Noise being the most complex sound out there suffers the most from 16 bit 44.1 khz.

Sure there's the element of volume and shear speaker size, but there are multiple other reasons why certain acts are better live than on recordings, respectfully disagree, and think you're statement about live music is sort of sad.

This. It's all about being there in the moment. The dynamic between the crowd and the musician. Recorded music completely destroys that dynamic - more so with overly produced music which is about making every note artificially perfect.

[beatmunga]

if you've ever spent time trying to mix and get a well recorded acoustic drum kit to sound as good as it does live or seen a classical concert you simply wouldn't have the opinion you do, unless your ears are not that great

Was was that about defending views that can't be proved?

Are you talking about an actual non-mic'd drum kit in a small venue? Then I absolutely agree. There is no substitute for the actual sound waves which the vibrating skins have pushed out getting straight to your ear drum with nothing in-between. But I'm not sure that's what you mean. You seem confused about this here, too:

Recorded sound while one of the coolest things in the history of music simply isn't the same as listening to a real piano etc. I personally don't see it as that different for a live rock band that's on their game with a decent PA

Again - fully acoustic or using technology like amps etc?

I have been to classical concerts and attended the opera. I have seen brass bands in municipal parks, and choirs and symphony orchestras in world renowned acoustically designed spaces, and small jazz bands in the corner of a restaurant, and I agree - when what hits your ears is pure sound with no technology inbetween, there is nothing like it.

But you go further than that. You say that a Fender Strat with a voltage coming out of it, possibly then converted to sound via an amp reconverted back to a voltage by a mic and then sent on through the hands of some bozo in a tour t-shirt manning a desk (which is usually not even located in the sweet spot of the loud but often inferior set of speakers he is sending those voltages to) is going to sound better than a largely similar process in a controlled, dedicated treated environment which probably has better equipment (such as condenser mics for instance)?

Don't even go there with drums. Everyone knows they sound inferior when mic'd up live. They can take days to get sounding half decent in a top studio with top mics and treatment.

think you're statement about live music is sort of sad

I'm not sure how old you are machinesworking but I can't help but think that the adolescent buzz of seeing dudes sweating and prancing about on stage and making lots of noise and reaping the groupie rewards afterwards is still influencing your ability to judge what is actually going on with the vibrations in your ear canals.

I'm not knocking the reasons why people get pleasure from rock concerts. Each to their own. But I will not accept that such concerts sound superior to anything, which is what you are getting yourself in a right old muddle trying to prove.

As someone who loves music and sound, this really does make me a very sad man indeed.

[beatmunga]

It's all about being there in the moment. The dynamic between the crowd and the musician. Recorded music completely destroys that dynamic - more so with overly produced music which is about making every note artificially perfect.

Again, for some of people the cringe-making embarrassment of the 'dynamic' at a concert can completely destroy ones ability to enjoy the sound waves emanating from the speakers.

I realise that this may be hard for some people to understand.