Surprised by Ableton Reverb

[radiance2004]

IMHO, it all comes down to what sounds you like. I've you've grown accustomed to the lexicon sound (or whatever algo verb), you'll not like Valhalla...Just a matter of taste...

I'm a huge lexicon fanboy (224,70,80,15II)and still like and own valhallaroom.
Valhalla shimmer might be a better choice for that kind of sound.
Also his free ValhallaFreqEcho sounds lexicon like fat.

Yes, you're right...Valhalla CAN do that pretty good as well...but somehow people are put off by the density of the early reflections in ValhallaRoom. It does not sound as any other reverb...I always struggled to get nice sounding (not metallic) short ambiances from my hardware PCM series lexicon verbs...ValhallaRoom can do that easily.

[vitalispopoff]

In my style of music (RockSteady,) the essence of a project is mostly in the parts of the song that are without notes.

could You please tell more on that - sounds intriguing.

Not Missing the point... (…) Look at how many sampled sounds Portishead used.... They sound absolutely nothing like anyone else, even started a new Genre.(…)

That's the idea I'm talking about - to be honest to create or catch completely new aspect of sound no matter what's Your source: a loop cut from a record, a sample taken from a broadcast, a raw field recording data or pure synthesis. But since I figured out, that most of aspects, I'm interested in, are unavailable for me to catch, for lack of adequate equipment (good studio record room, set of microphones and recorders) I've focused on pure synth and keep with it as long as I really don't miss a specific sound that I'm able to gather by sampling only. And somehow it works, as I try to reconstruct a particular tone, like (field) recording loops, and lately even instruments.
This changes the way i understand both the sounds of environment, and the synthesis itself.

Having GREAT presets does not stop anyone from designing custom sounds if they decide to... But having crappy presets does limit the person who just wants to get on and play MUSIC.

true.

Like I've said in many post, Live is by FARRR my favorite DAW because the workflow is unmatched (well, we'll see what BITWIG does...), and I do feel the devices are well done, But Live is NOT a perfect DAW!
(…)
vitalispopoff, that fan-boy comment was not directed at you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU

I remember 3phase enjoyed the fact that the presets were not so good because it inspired people to make their own - I like that.

brilliant.

[evon]

vitalispopoff, my friend, go to youtube and put in "Alton Ellis, Delroy Wilson,IRoy, John Holt or just follow some of the sugested leads. You will get an introduction to what is called RockSteady the mother or father if you will of Reggae music. Kind of forget the lyrics for a while and listen to the type of syncopated beat. In other words, the parts of the music without notes, the rests, the room, and how the other elements other than the instruments are used in enhancing the music itself.

And,we are not far off the topic because I do believe that the art of using the reverb was pioneered and mastered in that genre.

[vitalispopoff]

thanks evon for suggestion.

As for the fx usage in modern music You're probably right - but still it is dub, I believe, that made delay and reverb the instrument equal to guitars, drums and so on.

Anyways - as for the ableton reverb I think that as long as one doesn't need to reconstruct an extremely natural ambience the deviece is good enough to work it, and in general most of people simply don't get the real idea behind the reverbators. When this happens, and at the same time (which is - I think - common coincidence) the reverbator usage is limited to default presets, then the discussion on superiority of one machine or vst over another makes sense, but if one that doesn't understand what is it for, and how it actually works… You know what I mean

[Electric Blue Studios]

I love using the ableton reverb for snares. I also find the default setting awful, just got to make it your own!

[evon]

thanks evon for suggestion.

As for the fx usage in modern music You're probably right - but still it is dub, I believe, that made delay and reverb the instrument equal to guitars, drums and so on.

Anyways - as for the ableton reverb I think that as long as one doesn't need to reconstruct an extremely natural ambience the deviece is good enough to work it, and in general most of people simply don't get the real idea behind the reverbators. When this happens, and at the same time (which is - I think - common coincidence) the reverbator usage is limited to default presets, then the discussion on superiority of one machine or vst over another makes sense, but if one that doesn't understand what is it for, and how it actually works… You know what I mean

Yes, Dub. Then put in King Tubbys the master and also the originator of the art.He also made his own spring reverbs. Also, I do agree with all you said about getting the natural ambience, because as a tool, I believe that is what it was made for. Also, it can be used to help define space between the instruments in a project

[vitalispopoff]

Also, it can be used to help define space between the instruments in a project

even more - it is one of the methods to enrich the sound of the instrument, when used with very short attack/decay times emulating early reflections.

BTW - it might quite interesting to use reverbator as a kind of stringed instrument soundboard emulation - will check this.

[animus]

Also, try using the "Vocoder" effect for reverb too (especially for metallicy sound-design stuff). It's fun!

I made a free device to demonstrate such capabilities: https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/free-ra ... formodule/

[Mister Natural]

it's taken a number of years of experimentation for me to find a great drum bus setting with the native reverb - here are my numbers (as I can't do a screen shot for whatever reason) :
low cut @ 546hz .50width - high cut disabled
early reflection spin enabled - settings here to taste
pre-delay @ 4.38ms - shape .22
quality high(natch) - size 3.95 - stereo 120%
diffusion net - both disabled
decay 932ms
chorus enabled - .02hz @ 1.47
density 56% - scale 70%
reflect .02 - difuse (slight negative.02)
wet/dry 28%

I'm running Geist &/or uTonic(sends only)into this bus with a native limiter after the verb - no other compression and finding very good results(imho)

peace

[jbodango]

it's taken a number of years of experimentation for me to find a great drum bus setting with the native reverb - here are my numbers (as I can't do a screen shot for whatever reason) :
low cut @ 546hz .50width - high cut disabled
early reflection spin enabled - settings here to taste
pre-delay @ 4.38ms - shape .22
quality high(natch) - size 3.95 - stereo 120%
diffusion net - both disabled
decay 932ms
chorus enabled - .02hz @ 1.47
density 56% - scale 70%
reflect .02 - difuse (slight negative.02)
wet/dry 28%

I'm running Geist &/or uTonic(sends only)into this bus with a native limiter after the verb - no other compression and finding very good results(imho)

peace

i have totally neglected the native reverb since the release of convolution reverb pro. thanks for drilling down to this level of detail, it has piqued my interest to reinvestigate the native verb device.

[Stromkraft]

it's taken a number of years of experimentation for me to find a great drum bus setting with the native reverb - here are my numbers (as I can't do a screen shot for whatever reason) :
low cut @ 546hz .50width - high cut disabled
early reflection spin enabled - settings here to taste
pre-delay @ 4.38ms - shape .22
quality high(natch) - size 3.95 - stereo 120%
diffusion net - both disabled
decay 932ms
chorus enabled - .02hz @ 1.47
density 56% - scale 70%
reflect .02 - difuse (slight negative.02)
wet/dry 28%

Thank you for this nice setting. You didn't state quality so I assumed high. I tried it as a 100% wet return effect. Unfortunately while this setting is nice Live doesn't even get close to the usefulness of EAReverb, not even the SE version.