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delicioso wrote:

tigali wrote:Basically, the MPC just feels more mobile (I have the 1k) and I like to get away from the computer screen for a while so I still love it as a way to play.

Maschine and a laptop is still more mobile than a MPC1000 since you can run Maschine off the laptop battery and it would still be lighter to carry than the MPC. Also, Maschine lets you do pretty much everything from just its hardware. The computer screen doesn't even have to be on or in sight if you have a long enough usb cable.

I understand what you're saying but the MPC 1000 can easily fit in a regular sized backpack, bring two 1/4" cables, power cord and memory card.

Maschine has a lot more capabilities, but you now need to drag a controller (regular / mikro) , laptop, AC adapter, external soundcard, usb cord, and (2) 1/4". This requires a slightly bigger backpack.

Having a lot of firepower like maschine has can be too overwhelming for some while having something as limited as a hardware sampler will make the user work within the limitations. It gets the user even more creative because the limits are that much tighter.

Maschine = Devil may cry of drum machines (ridiculous firepower, easy health, crazy combos / see Jeremy Ellis)

Every hardware sampler / beatbox = Resident Evil 6 (limited ammo, limited melee capabilities, limited health, limited running endurance, the odds are against your survival)


I use both hardware machines like the mpc2000xl+s1000 and software based like the spark and tend to use either based on mood.

v00d00ppl wrote:

delicioso wrote:

tigali wrote:Basically, the MPC just feels more mobile (I have the 1k) and I like to get away from the computer screen for a while so I still love it as a way to play.

Maschine and a laptop is still more mobile than a MPC1000 since you can run Maschine off the laptop battery and it would still be lighter to carry than the MPC. Also, Maschine lets you do pretty much everything from just its hardware. The computer screen doesn't even have to be on or in sight if you have a long enough usb cable.

I understand what you're saying but the MPC 1000 can easily fit in a regular sized backpack, bring two 1/4" cables, power cord and memory card.

Maschine has a lot more capabilities, but you now need to drag a controller (regular / mikro) , laptop, AC adapter, external soundcard, usb cord, and (2) 1/4". This requires a slightly bigger backpack.

No. Maschine can fit just as easily in a regular sized backpack with nothing else but a very slim and light Macbook Air (with 10 hour battery life) and a usb cord. No need for an AC adapter, external soundcard, or 1/4" cables in this setup. And you'll be much more mobile than a MPC and not tied down to a power outlet.

v00d00ppl wrote:Having a lot of firepower like maschine has can be too overwhelming for some while having something as limited as a hardware sampler will make the user work within the limitations. It gets the user even more creative because the limits are that much tighter.

Maschine = Devil may cry of drum machines (ridiculous firepower, easy health, crazy combos / see Jeremy Ellis)

Not at all. Maschine is far from something that's too overwhelming with "ridiculous firepower, easy health, crazy combos". That would be full-on DAWs, like Live.

Maschine actually does have sensible limitations and an interface that was designed for super intuitive and fast workflow that emphasizes tactile controls and ease of use. For example, you can only have 4 modules (internal sampler/effects and plugins) per sound and also limited to 8 groups of 16 sounds. It's actually a very nice balance between the right amount of power and flexibility of computer software and the simplicity of dedicated hardware.

djadonis206 wrote:
For starters you can layer drums in Geist and control each layers volume, filter, envelopes, etc - you can't do this in Maschine.

You can layer drums in Maschine and still control the different parameters. You just have to use the pad link function.

Native Instruments Maschine, Elektron Machinedrum, Jomox Airbase 99

puzzlefactory wrote:

djadonis206 wrote:
For starters you can layer drums in Geist and control each layers volume, filter, envelopes, etc - you can't do this in Maschine.

You can layer drums in Maschine and still control the different parameters. You just have to use the pad link function.

I did not know that Machine did not have this ability :/
The pad linking sounds like an inelegant way to achieve this.

There's more than one way to layer drums in Maschine:

1. The original layering feature lets you layer samples on the same pad and is very straightforward. To do this on the Maschine harware, when you are browsing samples, there is a button labeled "Add". When you toggle this and press next or previous you will add samples to the same pad. Layering this way gives you separate control over Root Note, Low Note, High Note, Low Velocity, High Velocity, Tune, Pan, Gain for each layer. You can layer up to 128 samples per pad in Maschine. And it's easy to remove/replace layered samples from just the hardware.

2. The other way of layering that some people prefer is using the Pad Link feature. If you want separate control over every existing parameter for each individual layer, Pad Link is the way to go. It also has the advantage of not being just limited to layering audio samples. And it's quite elegant in use when combine with Maschine's quick resampling feature:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhFfff5ERoE

All software w/in ableton at the moment:

ni reaktor built-in and custom sequencers and drum ensembles packed with custom sounds/maps,
m4l sequencers,
arturia arp2600v2 as a drum machine as well.
a massive library of custom instrument/drum racks, filled with real analog sampled kits.

all mapped to bcr2000/apc20/launchpad for complete on the fly sequencing.

i'd like to invest in hardware. but most likely will get the deopfer dark time sequencer to run my aforementioned goods.

I loved the machinedrum, but for me it was PITA to then get it all in to Live.

I've got my MD working just fine with Live, what issues are you having?

simonlb wrote:I've got my MD working just fine with Live, what issues are you having?

I am just lazy to record each output individually.

login wrote:

simonlb wrote:I've got my MD working just fine with Live, what issues are you having?

I am just lazy to record each output individually.

Pretty sure there's a M4L patch for that

Szuumm wrote:

login wrote:

simonlb wrote:I've got my MD working just fine with Live, what issues are you having?

I am just lazy to record each output individually.

Pretty sure there's a M4L patch for that

it gets in to the MD and changes the routing? xD