Ableton Forum

Homebelly wrote:
And all that usually happens is a few people, like me, see through this kind of conversation, get angry and despair at the state of society, then leave.

Homebelly wrote: I consider it a silly thread because in the context of the ableton forum I don't see why it is important to know who is gay or female or black or Chinese or what ever..

If a topic comes up that might be about discrimination or some other kind of bias and someone choses to out them selves to help qualify a statement they have made, then that is all good. But starting a thread like this then filling it with stereo typical heterosexual statements about what you perceve gay people to be like is, in my opinion, boarder line harassment.

I'm not sure there will be any enlightenment to be had in this thread.
Just the same old same old homophobic statements about gay people being fashionable.. funny.. self depreciating..
Or other statements about how woman that hang out with gay men are not to be trusted..
These are broad and quite crass statements.
And all that usually happens is a few people, like me, see through this kind of conversation, get angry and despair at the state of society, then leave.
While every one else gets affirmation that how they think, and what they say on the mater is okay.

Like i said..

A very silly, pointless and possibly offensive post.

Good luck with it..

See ya later.

Machinesworking wrote: your indignation looks like what it is, a chance to attack those who won't openly mock you for your views. Way to alienate those who aren't truly your "enemy".

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shadx312 wrote:If you want to know if someone is gay, why don't you just ask them?

Homebelly wrote: I have attacked nobody.

rakim87 wrote:so much whining from people who don't get outcasted or threatened with violence...

Machinesworking wrote:

Homebelly wrote: I have attacked nobody.

Bullshit, read your post and tell me you aren't condemning everyone in this thread? Seriously?
Christ? can you get more passive aggressive?
^Rhetorical and ironic on purpose in case you didn't catch it.

Homebelly wrote: Read pretty much every other post and tell me that it isn't the same old same old bullshit that straight people always spout about their perception of gay people, especially gay men.
I can see how my post might be seen as passive aggressive, but at the same time i can also see how the entire thread can be seen as quite offensive to any one on the board that might be gay.

But any way..
Like i said before..
I'm out of this thread, and maintain my original opinion that it is very silly and can go no where..

Good luck with it.

homebelly wrote: i can also see how the entire thread can be seen as quite offensive to any one on the board that might be gay.

rozling wrote:

maybe you're sending out the wrong vibes