Bitwait....I mean Bitwig

stringtapper · Post by **stringtapper** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:36 pm

sdfak1234 wrote:in the time it took to release 9, I personally could've written Ableton Live from scratch on my own.

sdfak1234 · Post by **sdfak1234** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:36 pm

stringtapper wrote:
sdfak1234 wrote:in the time it took to release 9, I personally could've written Ableton Live from scratch on my own.

believe it. I own a software company.

J0n35y · Post by **J0n35y** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:45 pm

sdfak1234 wrote:
stringtapper wrote:
sdfak1234 wrote:in the time it took to release 9, I personally could've written Ableton Live from scratch on my own.

believe it. I own a software company.

Bitwig Studio per chance?

sdfak1234 · Post by **sdfak1234** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:49 pm

J0n35y wrote: Bitwig Studio per chance?

hahahahahahah this is the guy who read my posts and determined that I was "jumping up and down with raging boner" for Bitwig. I haven't even said 1 good thing about it. Quote me or shut the fuck up little boy.

J0n35y · Post by **J0n35y** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:49 pm

sdfak1234 wrote: hahahahahahah this is the guy who read my posts and determined that I was "jumping up and down with raging boner" for Bitwig. I haven't even said 1 good thing about it. Quote me or shut the fuck up little boy.

andydes · Post by **andydes** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:50 pm

sdfak1234 wrote:
stringtapper wrote:
sdfak1234 wrote:in the time it took to release 9, I personally could've written Ableton Live from scratch on my own.

believe it. I own a software company.

Well I'm certainly convinced. I mean it's common knowlege that ableton programmers just play table football and lounge around on beanbags in poloneck shirts all day.

sdfak1234 · Post by **sdfak1234** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:52 pm

oh please dont say anything bad about favorite program, it'll hurt the forums feelings... why don't you go suck Ableton's dick some more.

sdfak1234 · Post by **sdfak1234** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:55 pm

andydes wrote:
Well I'm certainly convinced. I mean it's common knowlege that ableton programmers just play table football and lounge around on beanbags in poloneck shirts all day.

To be fair I'm not trying to convince you. I made the comment, someone did the cliche facepalm thing... in regards Ableton programmers, I don't know what they're doing.. as a matter of opinion I actually think they lost their talent to Bitwig and that's why Live slowed down, if you know about software development (I'm claiming to, believe it or not I don't care) then you know you need development leaders to move a product forward and every company becomes encumbered by their old work unless they restructure and rebuild... but whatever, this is another one of those arguments that is pointless because you guys don't believe anything unless it's pro Ableton.

I should've realised this isn't the Ableton discussion forum, this is the Ableton appreciation forum, Bitwig threads are solely for putting Bitwig down, no actual discussion besides facepalm and meme generator gifs. Super original.

J0n35y go figure you couldn't find an example of me "jumping up and down with a raging boner" for Bitwig... cuz you made that concept up in your head.

andydes · Post by **andydes** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:18 pm

Have you not noticed that all the "fanboy" comments have come as a response to you belittling the work that goes into a program like this? If you really are a programmer, you should know it's not quick and easy to do.

I've criticised things I don't like about live's development as well. It's all just opinion though.

Feel free to get all wound up about "fanatics" whenever someone disagrees with you if you like. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

stringtapper · Post by **stringtapper** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:30 pm

sdfak1234 wrote:
stringtapper wrote:
sdfak1234 wrote:in the time it took to release 9, I personally could've written Ableton Live from scratch on my own.

believe it. I own a software company.

I believe you. And your comment is still just as douchey.

sdfak1234 · Post by **sdfak1234** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:35 pm

andydes wrote:Have you not noticed that all the "fanboy" comments have come as a response to you belittling the work that goes into a program like this? If you really are a programmer, you should know it's not quick and easy to do.

I've criticised things I don't like about live's development as well. It's all just opinion though.

Feel free to get all wound up about "fanatics" whenever someone disagrees with you if you like. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

I don't expect to be taken seriously on here, I've always understood my opinion is just an opinion and any post I make is just an opinion, I'm not going to get into any kind of any arguments about what I am or not because that would be argumentum ad hominem (some people here need to learn about this). Rather than getting into any real discussion with back and forth arguments, instead it always starts with something juvenile, like this guy J0n35y with his comments about twats, boners and kleenex... repeatedly people make the same ad hominem mistake as if that's valid, or gif posts which are getting so old. These aren't 'disagreements' I can handle a disagreement. I write something here, I get a snide response and I respond back.

I will belittle the work that's gone into this program because I don't see much work being done especially with Live 9, I believe Ableton took a misdirection several years ago... this is just an opinion, it says nothing at all about the people who use Live, I am an Ableton user. I don't use as much now because I've switched to Cubase. If you want to talk about belittling people, how about how Ableton doesn't interact with it's users? how about how it doesn't listen to user concerns? how about how it keeps on charging people for a handful of new features every few years.. since Ableton 6 the progress has been unbelievably slow, and I think fanatics are partly to blame, because they keep giving them money.

sdfak1234 · Post by **sdfak1234** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:40 pm

stringtapper wrote: I believe you. And your comment is still just as douchey.

This is what I mean, of course, here I am getting sucked in again.... how is it douchey? If it's true and you believe me, for that's worth, then don't you see how strange it is that a company with 1.7 million users can't do better?? and yes it looks like a bunch of upstarts (Bitwig) are in fact doing better, regardless of how hard that is to believe. I'm just wondering if Bitwig really do blow the doors off Ableton, will people finally then accept that Ableton has ground to a halt? It may seem hard to believe now because Bitwig isn't out yet, but it'll become much more believable if they deliver that software. I believe it because I know how long it takes to develop somthing like that, my bet is that Ableton resources are all about money.

sdfak1234 · Post by **sdfak1234** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:45 pm

Philosophy 103: Introduction to Logic
Argumentum Ad Hominem

Abstract: The argument concerning the attack of a person's character or circumstances is characterized and shown to be sometimes persuasive but normally fallacious.

Argumentum ad Hominem (abusive and circumstantial): the fallacy of attacking the character or circumstances of an individual who is advancing a statement or an argument instead of trying to disprove the truth of the statement or the soundness of the argument. Often the argument is characterized simply as a personal attack.

The personal attack is also often termed an "ad personem argument": the statement or argument at issue is dropped from consideration or is ignored, and the locutor's character or circumstances are used to influence opinion.

The fallacy draws its appeal from the technique of "getting personal." The assumption is that what the locutor is saying is entirely or partially dictated by his character or special circumstances and so should be disregarded.

The "tu quoque" or charging the locutor with "being just like the person" the locutor speaking about, is a narrower variety of this fallacy. In other words, rather than trying to disprove a remark about someone's character or circumstances, one accuses the locutor of having the same character or circumstances.

In cross examination or in debate, the point is often expressed as "My point might be bad, but yours is worse."

If the subject includes an assessment of behavior, the point can be put "So I do x [some specific action], but you do too."

Since the circumstantial variety of the ad hominem can be regarded as a special case of the abusive, the distinction between the abusive and the circumstantial is often ignored.

simmerdown · Post by **simmerdown** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:49 pm

hey what about bitwig

i would like to see a virtual cagematch between funken and sdfak. topic: assumptions

sdfak1234 · Post by **sdfak1234** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:53 pm

simmerdown wrote:hey what about bitwig

i would like to see a virtual cagematch between funken and sdfak. topic: assumptions

I don't get this. Funken seems cool to me, he has been perfectly valid and civil. I don't need to have a virtual cagematch with him.

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