L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation

[nathannn]

figured it out..

[mr.ergonomics]

nathannn: arm automation is just an option if automation should be recorded or not. to record it you have to hit session record button (the O button...).

It's not grouped very well. midi arrange overdub and arm automation are just option for session recording and not actuall functions. I think that's the main problem.

[chapelier fou]

So when you want to record JUST session automation you also record a clip, right?

No, the clips i am recording are violin/guitar/Keyboard loops, so i don't have a third hand to record automation !
I'd like to have two separate processes.

[nathannn]

i just did that with fm8 and recorded myself modulating an operator but still no automation shows up in the clip.

[chapelier fou]

Typical example :

I got all my instrument looping tracks armed + a few pre-made clips.

- i am playing clips
- recording some violin loops
- i wanna automate a filter on a pre-made clip before recording another violin loop
- Tada ! while i automate my filter, it records empty clips in all my violin slots
- end of the game

[nathannn]

Typical example :

I got all my instrument looping tracks armed + a few pre-made clips.

- i am playing clips
- recording some violin loops
- i wanna automate a filter on a pre-made clip before recording another violin loop
- Tada ! while i automate my filter, it records empty clips in all my violin slots
- end of the game

Edit: I figured it out

[mr.ergonomics]

Typical example :

I got all my instrument looping tracks armed + a few pre-made clips.

- i am playing clips
- recording some violin loops
- i wanna automate a filter on a pre-made clip before recording another violin loop
- Tada ! while i automate my filter, it records empty clips in all my violin slots
- end of the game

Ah I thanks I think I got it.


I guess it's not a solution, but have you tried this:

- when you hit session recording first (so it's all time on) and then arm the tracks you could record clips (press the record symbol from the clip self)
- and have session automation recording (which can be toggeld on/off with "automation arm" button).

With this I can toogle session automation on/off and record clips. both actions don't interfere.

[chapelier fou]

Yeah i noticed that when i did hit session recording once, i can simply toggle the session automation arming.
So it could be a workaround except that i cannot afford to do this on stage each time i start a new song !

also :

- when the tracks are armed and transport stopped, hitting session recording runs the transport
- hitting stop disables session recording
- i tried to save a set with session recording on. When i load it back, it's off.

[mr.ergonomics]

yep, I see.

Have you contacted ableton about it?
Do you have a imaginative solution for this?

[chapelier fou]

yep, I see.

Have you contacted ableton about it?
Do you have a imaginative solution for this?

I did contact them. Unsurprisingly no answer yet.
A solution ? Toggle automation arming simply allows you to record automation, regardless of armed or unarmed tracks. ?
Or something in the prefs, i don't know...

[nathannn]

yep, I see.

Have you contacted ableton about it?
Do you have a imaginative solution for this?

I did contact them. Unsurprisingly no answer yet.
A solution ? Toggle automation arming simply allows you to record automation, regardless of armed or unarmed tracks. ?
Or something in the prefs, i don't know...

its in the preferences
under record warp launch/ record session automation.. click it so it says all tracks

[chapelier fou]

yep, I see.

Have you contacted ableton about it?
Do you have a imaginative solution for this?

I did contact them. Unsurprisingly no answer yet.
A solution ? Toggle automation arming simply allows you to record automation, regardless of armed or unarmed tracks. ?
Or something in the prefs, i don't know...

its in the preferences
under record warp launch/ record session automation.. click it so it says all tracks

i know, but you still have to hit session recording ! That doesn't change anything to the problem. I don't know what's the point of having an automation toggle if you still have to toggle another button. Doesn't really make sense to me.

[h3rtz]

man i so feel you. record session automation totally kills my (potential) live set. shyte, i was so looking forward to this. i really hope the abes fix it. can i sign somewhere?

[Timbeaux]

the problem is that u record empty clips? why is that a problem? cant u just see them as dummy clips and use "monitor in" instead of arming these tracks?

[chapelier fou]

the problem is that u record empty clips? why is that a problem? cant u just see them as dummy clips and use "monitor in" instead of arming these tracks?

Damn.... it is a problem because i want to record clips in these slots.