Advanced scene launching

[Buleriachk]

One should never try to teach a pig to sing; it only frustrates you and irritates the pig.
- Oscar Wilde

The good news is that the tools of production are at last in the hands of the workers.
The bad news is that the tools of production are at last in the hands of the workers...

If people don't wanna come, nothing can stop 'em.

And for all those listening, the issue isn't whether some idiots think I am insulting them, the issue is that some of us don't want to have to launch every clip in the row when a scene is launched,,,.,.

[Tone Deft]

One should never try to teach a pig to sing; it only frustrates you and irritates the pig.
- Oscar Wilde

in the context of this thread you're the pig that can't learn to use session view the way it's designed and you're irritated about it. nobody is irritated by your message, just your tone. I'd hate to see you order a hot dog. "HEY YOU GIVE ME A HOT DOG RIGHT NOW I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR ONE FOR YEARS ISN'T IT OBVIOUS TO ANYONE THAT DOESN'T PLAY 4/4 AT 85BPM THAT I'M HUNGRY?!?!?!?!?!!!!!"

as Bruce Lee put it, you have to move like water. water doesn't move through an object, it moves around it. it doesn't expect the object to move, it doesn't force it, it doesn't post on the interweb that it should move. water makes another scene with fewer clips and gets on with life.

take some meds man, old people get the good shit.

[sowhoso]

some idiots think I am insulting them

[SuburbanThug]

I think I know this guy. If it's not who I think it is I know a guy just like him that hangs around my town carousing with the local acoustic guitar crowd. He loves flamenco guitar. Huh. He's a really smart guy and you can learn a lot from him if you don't mind being insulted by him constantly. I for one do mind being insulted so I'd rather spend 5 years learning what this guy could teach me in a month. Sounds dumb but it keeps him alive and me out of prison.

[fishmonkey]

clearly you are an idiot.

[SuburbanThug]

I have way too much fun making music to let some abusive Mr. Miaggi wannabe slap me around while I'm trying to do it. If that makes me an idiot so be it. It's not like any of his "students" have been great success stories.

[Donnie]

Some people are arrogant. I get it.

However, lets not distract from how great it would be to have this functionality.

[TYLRbass]

removing the play button from clips doesn't seem right. you still want to play the clip after the scene launches. maybe move the play icon on the clip to the other side of the clip?

I like this idea A LOT. Simple, effective visual feedback for clips that would be set to "ignore scene launch" .. now we're getting somewhere.

[djadonis206]

Maybe I'm just a simple guy from the backwoods of the Delta, but 100 clips per track seems a bit much. Hell, I'm lucky to get 4 or 5 clips on a track.

Angry guy may want to look into clip envelopes. CEs are an easy way of automating what plays when.

But like I said, I'm a simple guy from a simple time and place.

It is entertaining to see an avatar get all hot and bothered though. Please, continue

[Buleriachk]

The two most common elements in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity.

By the laws of quantum stupidity, there is a small but finite probability that all the stupidity in the Universe can be in the same place at the same time.

Just sayin'.....

(not only that, but the more we keep this thread alive - even if we don't stay on focus - the better the chance that someone in Ableton will finally recognize that there is, indeed, a valid point here..)

(and yes, that is me from the Acoustic Guitar list...)

[SuburbanThug]

Maybe I'm just a simple guy from the backwoods of the Delta, but 100 clips per track seems a bit much. Hell, I'm lucky to get 4 or 5 clips on a track.

Angry guy may want to look into clip envelopes. CEs are an easy way of automating what plays when.

But like I said, I'm a simple guy from a simple time and place.

It is entertaining to see an avatar get all hot and bothered though. Please, continue

Well, imagine that you want to play a 4 hour live set including all of your tracks. Or you want to do a megamix of sorts. I've seen people with huge sets of clips for these purposes over the years. Scrolling on a Push or an APC40 is kind of cumbersome still so people want to do it as little as possible. Not to mention if you don't have a controller at all. If these machines had X and Y dials on them to quickly move around sets of clips this would be less of an issue. As it stands this is just one of those smalls issues of functionality that would make a huge difference for a lot of people and many would wonder why they never wanted it in the first place.

Many times in a "scene" there are small details that people would like to add without needing to launch a whole other line of clips such as cymbals, small scale runs, sound effects. That's the beauty of smaller note quantization for clip launching. You aren't locked into launching everything at the beginning of a bar. I suppose that there are lots of people who wouldn't mind if they didn't have that feature as well but without it Live would be laughable to many musicians.

[dna598]

And I'm 72 and fighting my last war and don't have time for bullshit....

wow, way to go (out).

[Buleriachk]

Experience and treachery will overcome youth and ignorance.....

And I'm 72 and fighting my last war and don't have time for bullshit....

wow, way to go (out).

[nowtime]

Maybe I'm just a simple guy from the backwoods of the Delta, but 100 clips per track seems a bit much. Hell, I'm lucky to get 4 or 5 clips on a track.

Angry guy may want to look into clip envelopes. CEs are an easy way of automating what plays when.

But like I said, I'm a simple guy from a simple time and place.

It is entertaining to see an avatar get all hot and bothered though. Please, continue

Well, imagine that you want to play a 4 hour live set including all of your tracks. Or you want to do a megamix of sorts. I've seen people with huge sets of clips for these purposes over the years. Scrolling on a Push or an APC40 is kind of cumbersome still so people want to do it as little as possible. Not to mention if you don't have a controller at all. If these machines had X and Y dials on them to quickly move around sets of clips this would be less of an issue. As it stands this is just one of those smalls issues of functionality that would make a huge difference for a lot of people and many would wonder why they never wanted it in the first place.

Many times in a "scene" there are small details that people would like to add without needing to launch a whole other line of clips such as cymbals, small scale runs, sound effects. That's the beauty of smaller note quantization for clip launching. You aren't locked into launching everything at the beginning of a bar. I suppose that there are lots of people who wouldn't mind if they didn't have that feature as well but without it Live would be laughable to many musicians.

Ableton has not given much notice in recent versions to people who use Live on stage (as far as the software is concerned). Plain and simple. Maybe Live 10 or 11. Meanwhile, NI is getting more of my attention. You gotta do what you gotta do. I love what Ableton had done with their hardware, for the most part, but they do ignore people with large sets.

[Buleriachk]

Ableton has not given much notice in recent versions to people who use Live on stage (as far as the software is concerned). Plain and simple. Maybe Live 10 or 11. Meanwhile, NI is getting more of my attention. You gotta do what you gotta do. I love what Ableton had done with their hardware, for the most part, but they do ignore people with large sets.

I hadn't thought of it that way, but it makes sense to me. (I also just purchased Maschine, which at least gives me some additional flexibility.. Well, ok, a LOT of additional capability.)

But I still love Live... if only....