OT: funny incident at nine inch nails concert

dave999z · Post by **dave999z** » Mon May 09, 2005 4:11 am

LOFA wrote:Of course there is no way to judge his work till you see it live.

The new stuff has kind of a different dimension live. "You Know What You Are" was like a machine gun; very strong. "The Line Begins to Blur" really cranks live. I wish they had played "Love Is Not Enough" because I bet it would be really powerful live too.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon May 09, 2005 7:58 am

okay, despite what you might think about NIN, this is *still* the best album review. Ever.

http://www.tinymixtapes.com/musicreview ... _nails.htm

(pinched from zenarchery.com)

mikemc · Post by **mikemc** » Mon May 09, 2005 3:45 pm

this is maybe a dumb question, but... how many stereo tracks do you really need to run for a 'pro' live electronic concert?

You need a huge mixer for live drums because you've got umpteen mono mics.

But if you are synthesizing beats, then you only need one stereo track for that. So, using Live, even if you have 5 people on stage, one track apiece for each of your other instruments (could be stereo tracks or not) and one for drums, then one for each vocalist among them. Let's say three of them sing. Six stereo tracks for instrumentation, then 3 for vocals, right? and some returns for effects.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Mon May 09, 2005 4:09 pm

They're probably using more than one synth, and some of them might have more than one stereo output.

-Paws

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon May 09, 2005 5:09 pm

mikemc wrote:this is maybe a dumb question, but... how many stereo tracks do you really need to run for a 'pro' live electronic concert?

You need a huge mixer for live drums because you've got umpteen mono mics.

But if you are synthesizing beats, then you only need one stereo track for that. So, using Live, even if you have 5 people on stage, one track apiece for each of your other instruments (could be stereo tracks or not) and one for drums, then one for each vocalist among them. Let's say three of them sing. Six stereo tracks for instrumentation, then 3 for vocals, right? and some returns for effects.

Mike, as an example, I know that Air used 56 analog inputs to a DiGiCo desk for their live performance last year. And they're what, 4 people on stage? On top of that comes the internal effects in the digico. subtract the number of mics on the drums, and it's still a pretty big number.
And if NIN uses racks of samplers, you can bet they're not submixed before the FOH desk.

This reminds me of the urban music legend about the guy who was allowed to remix a Rammstein track - the dude received 180 four-minute tracks of audio!
NIN is a lot like that too - walls of sound require a bunch of outs. And even if you're synthesising beats, it's still not *loops*. It's often 8 outs from a sampler/computer or something, and each sound is processed individually at the FOH - just like an acoustic drum set.

BTW; in the spirit of Gear Pr0n, here's a cool analog goodie for that pro-setup: http://www.speck.com/xmix_2.shtml

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Mon May 09, 2005 5:19 pm

Danish band Under Byen, I think it was (means 'Under the City', btw, they're a bit shit) recently remixed a Rammstein track, and they did indeed receive a 128 track ProTools session...

-Paws

mikemc · Post by **mikemc** » Mon May 09, 2005 5:30 pm

And if NIN uses racks of samplers, you can bet they're not submixed before the FOH desk

Ok, thanks-- that makes sense.

yeh, I believe that about R-stein, I think their production values are really fantastic, thought. Ich bin ein fanatiken Rammstein!

beamsville · Post by **beamsville** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:46 pm

in the early 90s (Loolapaloza, Toronto) Trent nearly broke my hand... he was throwing frozen beer cups into the audience. I made a casual catch, but it really hurt. Good thing it was my hand and not someone's head.

During the same show, the lead singer for 'Living Colour' did a wireless mic dash through the audience. A bouncer tackled him, thinking he was just some guy. Man, that dood was embarassed when he realised who it was.

mike holiday · Post by **mike holiday** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:19 am

i saw david bowie open for NIN in like 95 and instead of an intermison band members switched during a 20 minute jam session

so the bands mixed it was sweet

rasputin · Post by **rasputin** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:16 pm

LOFA wrote: [snipping the rest]
....I don't get so involved in the the whole "industrial" thing these days, but I was weened on NIN and Skinny Puppy.
[...more snipp]

Get it? "Ween"ed?

Haw.

dave999z · Post by **dave999z** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:31 pm

mike holiday wrote:i saw david bowie open for NIN

Wasn't it the other way around?

ewik · Post by **ewik** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:08 am

reset wrote:the fragile was all telefon tel aviv's work....

NIN started sucking after spiral anyway.

explain. i only know of telefon tel aviv's remix work for the the fragile (stuff on things falling apart), what else did they do? they are amazing, the more my ears get outta them, the better they feel.

envyro · Post by **envyro** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:21 pm

ewik wrote:
explain. i only know of telefon tel aviv's remix work for the the fragile (stuff on things falling apart), what else did they do? they are amazing, the more my ears get outta them, the better they feel.

yep, their lp "fahrenheit fair enough" 2001 has great moments

mike holiday · Post by **mike holiday** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:17 pm

dave999z wrote:
mike holiday wrote:i saw david bowie open for NIN
Wasn't it the other way around?

you'd think so huh? but nope Bowie definatly played first and I left half way through NIN i'm thinking fall 1995..

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:11 am

I guess I'm old school. Honestly when NIN came out, "what the fuck is he doing to industrial?!?" I thought, I thought his voice sucked, and I hated that most of his songs were about relationships. Industrial when it started had some of the most bizzar lyrics of any music form, songs about emergency wards, car crashes, serial killers, rape, religion, revolution, the drudgery of work, and of course love, but love and relationships were just one of the many aspects of life that people sang about.
Rezner killed all that to a degree. Industrial today is filled with people who think Depache Mode was an industrial band..........

I liked the music to Pretty Hate Machine, but past that it's a song here and there.

As far as being old and a has been, well my singer who just turned 20, she thinks he's a genius, and loves the new album. I don't trash her about it, I haven't heard it yet to be honest. I have a low tolerance for whining singers though. We all have different tastes, and she's one for production value, so........

OT: funny incident at nine inch nails concert

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