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I wish while I was killing the business of music I killed things like rihanna, little wayne and florida. And justin bieber, and avril lavine (spelling, nah I don't care)

Oddly, I don't mind lady googoogaga or pink. Well actually, I hate the MUSIC but I kinda think they are good singers.

And toby keith, and anything autotune. Man, I wish I'd have killed a lot more than has survived

If you aint giging/djing...dont quit your day job simple as that, record sales can only buy a box of milk and some pampers

Reversoulmusic wrote:If you aint giging/djing...dont quit your day job simple as that, record sales can only buy a box of milk and some pampers

In a lot of cases touring around gigging will cost more money than it brings in. It was often done in the hope it would boost album sales. So not a replacement for lost income.

I agree that you probably shouldn't quit the day job, but there are always exceptions to that rule. Sometimes it seems the only way for me to really get something accomplished creatively is when I block out time to completely commit and focus on nothing else. Sometimes that's what's required.. but sometimes these are my own shortcomings (I have time management issues).

I guess you have to take the bad with the good.

On one hand there's so much of everything everywhere that it's hard to stand out and get noticed. But on the other hand, thanks to technology, this is the first time where--for a fraction of the cost and with some talent, hard work, and creativity--artists now have the ability to create and produce work that's on the same level as the big boys.

I think the good outweighs the bad / I see the glass half full / I'm thankful I have these amazing creative tools and outlets at my fingertips.

This thread title could be easily changes to read 'The Internet Killed The Business of Media'
Since the Internet; Chain book stores have gone out of business, a newspaper is something only for the tech shy Grandpa or Grandma, there is rarely ever a reason to buy a magazine, no one buys cd's, finding a music store is like finding a relic, movie rental stores have gone out of business, there is rarely ever a reason to buy a movie, people watch less tv since its all on the internet, people don't listen to radio (radio has been shit my entire life so this isn't sad). Whats weird about all of this is that video games are still selling and they are selling more than ever even though they are easily susceptible to piracy.

The thread title could be much less sensational, but I had a sudden notion to write one of those click-bait headlines that are so popular with the kids these days.

However: I don't think it was the internet, it was the democratisation of the means of production reducing the scarcity of our product down to 0. We make a product which is now as plentiful as air. Even non-musicians can produce a half-assed epic within 30 minutes of opening garage band. It is as if gold suddenly grew on trees, and we are still toiling in a mine.

It's hard to sell gold in that economy. Music still exists, but selling music has gone to a place that does not favour the solitary gold miner. Of course, the old business ripped people off - but that part of show business still exists. It's the part built around selling fluff to kids.

Angstrom wrote:Even non-musicians can produce a half-assed epic within 30 minutes of opening garage band. It is as if gold suddenly grew on trees, and we are still toiling down a mine

I wouldn't call that gold. Would you?

ikeaboy wrote:

Angstrom wrote:Even non-musicians can produce a half-assed epic within 30 minutes of opening garage band. It is as if gold suddenly grew on trees, and we are still toiling down a mine

I wouldn't call that gold. Would you?

Its probably close enough to "Gold" on the "McDonalds <-> Gold" continuum that the public doesn't care.
Especially when you consider the public quite likes McDonalds.

Wow someone torn down the walls of the monopoly of the recording industry. Even professional artists are creating their own labels. It wasn't the business that was killed, only the monopoly.

On the other end of the spectrum, I bet the music education business is booming like crazy!!

Same with music gear and software. What's it all mean?

I blame lars. And southpark.

yur2die4 wrote:On the other end of the spectrum, I bet the music education business is booming like crazy!!

Same with music gear and software. What's it all mean?

In a goldrush, sell shovels

Correct

kitekrazy wrote:Wow someone torn down the walls of the monopoly of the recording industry. Even professional artists are creating their own labels. It wasn't the business that was killed, only the monopoly.

Are any of those artists successfully supporting themselves with their labels? What about new artists who can't bank on a legacy that created a large fan base back when their was a marketing budget. The music business is alive and well and lining the pockets of spotlify, soundcloud and internet providers and people making money from goggle adverts.

Cameras have sold in huge numbers and photography courses have thrived everywhere for decades, this still didn't kill the publics recognition of the existence and need for professional photographers on a local and international level. Even though the untrained person would be hard pressed to tell you in words why the pros work is better, they know it is, and they'll pay for the expertise.

Don't be in a rush to call your disenfranchisement inevitable

Maybe I'm just totally off the wall here, but isn't this kinda what is frightening about "revolution?"

That's where things are. There is that school of thought that we brought a monopoly down, but in the end, didn't we just make one even bigger?