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TomViolenz wrote:NO!
Empire building and fucking powerplays are a major drag on the evolution of civilization. They are literaly "why we can't have nice things"!
If you make a real contribution you can still be sure that your name will be remembered. Make some art, do some science, invent something cool, have the longest schlong, whatever, but please don't let all of humanity further suffer from your desire to agrandize your small ego!!!

YES! Civilisation is the empire, and it's built piece by piece over centuries. You'll never catch all the pokémon if you hit reset every X years! Create and pass on, do not destroy.

Or do you... not want to catch all the pokémon?

Funk N. Furter wrote:

Galt wrote:Yes but the article was something we in the business call satire.

You're unemployed. You aren't in any business.

/refraining

Funken: taking the lol out of lol cats, one picture at a time...

Galt wrote:

TomViolenz wrote:NO!
Empire building and fucking powerplays are a major drag on the evolution of civilization. They are literaly "why we can't have nice things"!
If you make a real contribution you can still be sure that your name will be remembered. Make some art, do some science, invent something cool, have the longest schlong, whatever, but please don't let all of humanity further suffer from your desire to agrandize your small ego!!!

YES! Civilisation is the empire, and it's built piece by piece over centuries. You'll never catch all the pokémon if you hit reset every X years! Create and pass on, do not destroy.

NO!

(Technically neither you, nor me can support our claim, since only one history happened)

PS:I didn't get the pokemon reference

TomViolenz wrote:NO!

(Technically neither you, nor me can support our claim, since only one history happened)

PS:I didn't get the pokemon reference

YES!

Technically, you can't support your claim, because you apparently believe that economics is an empirical science. Luckily for me, I recognise it as an ensemble of synthetic a priori propositions, the truth of which derives ultimately from inner, reflectively produced experience. Thus, history is irrelevant.

Word.

Galt wrote: Technically, you can't support your claim, because you apparently believe that economics is an empirical science. Luckily for me, I recognise it as an ensemble of synthetic a priori propositions, the truth of which derives ultimately from inner, reflectively produced experience. Thus, history is irrelevant.

Word.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is the explanation for the deep bond between the G-star and the Funk-ster.

Neither of them need to refer to empirical evidence or facts.

What we are witnessing are just two sets of abstract, a priori assumptions playing the it-is, it-ain't game

The Finn wrote:This, ladies and gentlemen, is the explanation for the deep bond between the G-star and the Funk-ster.

Neither of them need to refer to empirical evidence of facts.

What we are witnessing are just two sets of abstract, a priori assumptions playing the it-is, it-ain't game

There is nothing assuming about synthetic propositions. Bitch.

The Finn wrote:This, ladies and gentlemen, is the explanation for the deep bond between the G-star and the Funk-ster.

Neither of them need to refer to empirical evidence or facts.

What we are witnessing are just two sets of abstract, a priori propositions playing the it-is, it-ain't game

I stand corrected

Funk N. Furter wrote:If this post was worthy of a reply I still would not dignify it with one.

Thank you for replying to my post.

Galt wrote:

TomViolenz wrote:NO!

(Technically neither you, nor me can support our claim, since only one history happened)

PS:I didn't get the pokemon reference

YES!

Technically, you can't support your claim, because you apparently believe that economics is an empirical science. Luckily for me, I recognise it as an ensemble of synthetic a priori propositions, the truth of which derives ultimately from inner, reflectively produced experience. Thus, history is irrelevant.

Word.

And this is how you support your claim?! This is just a lot of silliness clouded in big words.
And no, your position can not be seen as supported either. You could have just left it, at the "agree to disagree" level

And if history is so irrelevant, why do you get so excited about "Empire" building then? Your position makes no sense, no matter where you look from.

TomViolenz wrote:And this is how you support your claim?! This is just a lot of silliness clouded in big words.
And no, you position can not be seen as supported either. You could have just left it, at the "agree to disagree" level

Yup. I agree, Kantian metaphysics are silly. I wonder what's on the telly...

Capitalism, part of the structure of reason itself?

That would take some nifty arguing...

The Finn wrote:Capitalism, part of the structure of reason itself?

That would take some nifty arguing...

You are losing me here, could you explain what you mean, and how it ties in with the discussion I had with Galt?

Edit: I could come up with a way this could work.

Reason: Is what we call our way of interpreting logic. It's of course biologically determined. This determination happens through evolution.
Competition and struggle for control (power), are part of the mechanism of behavioural evolution. (As well as altruism btw - sharing it turns out, is very beneficial!!!)

A free market economy (capitalism) is a mechanism we reasoned ourselves into! (And sharing and Socialism as well!). All driven by the same evolutionary mechanism of success.

I still don't see how empire building and time independent wealth fit into this reasoning.
So Galt, give it your best shot!

Capitalism is descriptive of how humans naturally organise themselves in the absence of a monopoly of coercion. Socialism is an attempt to interrupt this natural script in the name of [random socialist talking-point].

What's fascinating about economics is that is can be explored through self-reflection, as we ourselves as economic agents are the subject of its enquiry.

I'd recommend a very short book on the subject, but that's not how I roll.

This is a very brief overview, wot I wrote, but I'll be happy to develop any part of it.