Ableton Forum

jdewitt3 wrote:

stringtapper wrote:No the Auto Filter can absolutely function without the "auto" part. Map the cutoff frequency of the default low pass setting to a knob and you've got your DJ sweep.

Or am I missing something?

surprised this discussion is still rolling when this is the answer. auto filter is a full multimode filter within live. it doesn't try to be "analog" that i know of, but what does that even mean in this case? when you load up auto filter by default (no preset), the envelope, beat sync and LFO should all be off, leaving you free to modify the resonance and cutoff as you wish (either by midi-mapping it, dragging yer mouse, or using something like a push or an APC40 that maps to device parameters).

really, this should be super easy. has lp/bp/hp settings as well. live is meant to be deeper than traktor, so things aren't QUITE as simple, but the functionality is there.

BoddAH wrote:If you want an actual analogue filter, get a vintage external effect, a hardware synth that allows external routing or a software effect that specialises in analog emulations.

Ableton is digital software and proud of it. The two analogue emulation effects (Amp and Analog) are the two worst devices in my opinion. They were never top of the line from day one and analog reproductions tend to age horribly.

Get your own hardware/software if you must get into that whole analogue craze but please don't ruin the sleek, streamlined workflow of Live with bloat for the rest of us.

misterhops wrote:Ha - oy. Again, as I said earlier, when I said "analog" i was talking about the name of a specific effect that I saw someone using in video tutorial online with a specific sound I had been looking for. I've had Live 9 for two weeks and I'm already deeply in love with it.

Thanks everyone for these helpful tips. Looks like I have quite a bit to play with.

jdewitt3 wrote:

stringtapper wrote:No the Auto Filter can absolutely function without the "auto" part. Map the cutoff frequency of the default low pass setting to a knob and you've got your DJ sweep.

Or am I missing something?

surprised this discussion is still rolling when this is the answer. auto filter is a full multimode filter within live. it doesn't try to be "analog" that i know of, but what does that even mean in this case? when you load up auto filter by default (no preset), the envelope, beat sync and LFO should all be off, leaving you free to modify the resonance and cutoff as you wish (either by midi-mapping it, dragging yer mouse, or using something like a push or an APC40 that maps to device parameters).

really, this should be super easy. has lp/bp/hp settings as well. live is meant to be deeper than traktor, so things aren't QUITE as simple, but the functionality is there.

I'll have to look at it more when I get home, but how do you load up the Auto Filter without a preset? That's probably the silver bullet I'm looking for. If I can get rid of envelope, beat sync, and LFO that should give me what I want.

misterhops wrote:Hmmm, see I did that, and my sweeps were still automatic. The only thing I was able to customize was the shape of my sweep. I'll dig deeper.

stringtapper wrote:^ Good call.

Did they also make improvements to EQ3 with Live 9? I can't recall.

TomViolenz wrote:

BoddAH wrote:If you want an actual analogue filter, get a vintage external effect, a hardware synth that allows external routing or a software effect that specialises in analog emulations.

Ableton is digital software and proud of it. The two analogue emulation effects (Amp and Analog) are the two worst devices in my opinion. They were never top of the line from day one and analog reproductions tend to age horribly.

Get your own hardware/software if you must get into that whole analogue craze but please don't ruin the sleek, streamlined workflow of Live with bloat for the rest of us.

Are you responding to my post?
I think I made it quite clear that this has nothing to do with a craze, why do you keep harping on on that, did you not understand what I wrote? Frankly your post reads like you don't really know what you are talking about!
But I guess subtle frequency band specific saturation, instead of digital clipping is just something for us Analog Hipsters, right?!

BoddAH wrote:

TomViolenz wrote:

BoddAH wrote:If you want an actual analogue filter, get a vintage external effect, a hardware synth that allows external routing or a software effect that specialises in analog emulations.

Ableton is digital software and proud of it. The two analogue emulation effects (Amp and Analog) are the two worst devices in my opinion. They were never top of the line from day one and analog reproductions tend to age horribly.

Get your own hardware/software if you must get into that whole analogue craze but please don't ruin the sleek, streamlined workflow of Live with bloat for the rest of us.

Are you responding to my post?
I think I made it quite clear that this has nothing to do with a craze, why do you keep harping on on that, did you not understand what I wrote? Frankly your post reads like you don't really know what you are talking about!
But I guess subtle frequency band specific saturation, instead of digital clipping is just something for us Analog Hipsters, right?!

If all you need is a DJ effect for some sweet filter sweeps or for removing some frequencies Auto Filter and EQ Three should have you covered. In fact, EQ Three is specifically designed as a "live" DJ device and the way Auto Filter is laid out makes it pretty obvious that it is also meant for live use (in addition to just being a straightforward and quick all-purpose filter).

I admit I'm not exactly sure what you want. If you dread "digital clipping" I'd suggest not clipping your tracks for a start. Put a Limiter in there if you have trouble managing the levels. A Limiter or The Glue with soft clip enabled should get rid of the digital clipping no matter how much resonance and drive you put on your filter. In any case, if you're not controlling your levels you clipping your tracks is not Ableton's fault and has nothing to do with the fact that the device isn't "analogue" enough.

If you want your filter sweeps to have a warmer analogue tone and some subtle distortion I suggest creating an Effects Rack with an Overdrive or Dynamic Tube effect or, indeed, getting a VST plugin modelled specifically after an analogue filter.

Generally the stock devices of any DAW are as transparent as possible and I don't know of any DAW in which the
default devices are modelled after some analogue stuff.

Sage wrote:Pretty sure if your getting clipping when using analogue equipment, it won't be because of the filters. It is hardly uncommon for analogue synths to have resonating filters that produce sine waves and do so without additional harmonics.

But if people enjoy overloading effects, get some old 70's guitar pedals and run line level signals through them. Most sound like shit to be honest.