How we’ve dealt with stagnant wages

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well, in this case the problem has been growing for decades... a century even. so based on the logic that most people don't spend too much time giving the next decade or two any real consideration i think it would be a stretch to give them that much goddam credit.

Part of my point of starting the topic. These changes have happened slow enough to where people just accept them as normal and especially younger people don’t know any better even though it wasn’t that long ago.

Of course I don’t have a problem with women in the workforce/dual incomes, but 40 years ago that would mean you’re swimming in cash, not just scraping by.

[H20nly]

yep. it started off as something a lot of women wanted to do... now it's something most woman have to do.

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one banker, or 101 bankers didn't sit around rubbing their paws together plotting this whole thing out... they're greedy and don't have the time or consideration to give a shit at that level.

Stockholm syndrome

Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with them.

[Samuel L. Jizzle]

So... H2Only identifies with their... greed and laziness?

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Rockefeller told Russo of two primary reasons why the elite bankrolled women's lib, one because before women's lib the bankers couldn't tax half the population and two because it allowed them to get children in school at an earlier age, enabling them to be indoctrinated into accepting the state as the primary family, breaking up the traditional family model. (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ja ... ergoal.htm)


So, the women's liberation movement WAS a conspiracy to exploit the equality ticket and destroy the family unit. It was not the bottom-up freedom movement Tom describes, rather it was a top-down evolution towards an increasingly state/corporation-centric paradigm that manipulated and enslaved women, rather than freeing them.

As an unintended consequence, ice-cream and cookie dough sales also increased, which is nice.

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As we all know, 5 fanatics slipping through lax airport security some 12.5 years ago

YEAH.

[beats me]

one banker, or 101 bankers didn't sit around rubbing their paws together plotting this whole thing out... they're greedy and don't have the time or consideration to give a shit at that level.

This reminds of the one valid response to people’s massive elaborate government conspiracy theories: The people who work in government aren’t that smart.

Famous last words?!
Because yes, if they want to be, they can be very smart

You watch too many heist movies. At the very least the amount of people who would have to be involved and keep their trap shut about it in these grand government conspiracies is staggering. You think it’s just a handful of well-educated, skilled, and disciplined men in nice suits pulling this shit off at every level of planning and execution?

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Maybe we should clarify what we mean, when we say conspiracy?!
Moon Landing? Yeah, I'm with you, that would not work. Too many people without a personal stake in it, were involved.

But the three letter agencies secretly (because this is how they work!) building the all seeing police state, despite your constitution?!
How could this not be a conspiracy to grab ever more power? You don't really believe this was about terrorists, did you?!

Did a bunch of top hat and monocle wearing, mustache swirrling evil master minds think this up at a Bilderberg conference?
No probably not. I don't know how this all is coordinated (though just out of curiosity, I would certainly like to see the power structures behind the facade).

But having the thousands of pages of legal text of the patriot act ready only a few weeks after 9/11, which clearly empowered institutions that stand outside of the law. How would that even be humanly possible without a massive conspiracy from people in power, who had been preparing for a long time for a chance like this?!

You certainly underestimate their intelligence at your own peril!

Also very shortly before 9/11, maybe even just a day before, the pentagon admitted it couldn’t account for an ass ton of money. That was instantly forgotten after the attacks.

But as far as 9/11 conspiracies, all I’m willing to entertain is the possibility that the government knew more about the impending attacks than they are admitting to and possibly could have stopped them, just like the Pearl Harbor attack that got us involved in WWII. But the government planning 9/11 up to planting explosives in the twin towers? No.

As with the banking example above, I’m sure the powerful look at every possible scenario of some impending major social change or event to see how their action or inaction could benefit them.

[H20nly]

one banker, or 101 bankers didn't sit around rubbing their paws together plotting this whole thing out... they're greedy and don't have the time or consideration to give a shit at that level.

Stockholm syndrome

Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with them.

@ Tom V... i said it was "an event in evolution not a singular event" i didn't mean that it was like snakes turning into lizards or single celled organisms becoming multi-celled organisms... or even inventing tools... i meant social evolution... like how people used to have manners and be engaged with one another or even just sit quietly... and now they mostly stare at their fucking cell phones. evolution is change.

the way we live changes... i.e. evolves, for better or worse. women fought for the right to proudly go to work and earn. in doing so have somewhat lost the ability to proudly stay home and raise their children. that's considered a luxury now. it's the more money = more problems equation. trade offs happen all the time as we subtly take part in the ebb flow of it. one day we look back and say what happened to ________. sometimes that's good... some times... not so much.

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