What are you talking about, non existing user mode?!Sional wrote: Considering the price, I also think Ableton have not supplied all they should have with Push (e.g. the nonexistent user mode) and we should not have to rely on third party software to make up the shortcomings.
Even a £45 Akai LPD8 (and even cheaper Korg devices) comes with software to allow the user to set the pads and controls to their liking.TomViolenz wrote:What are you talking about, non existing user mode?!Sional wrote: Considering the price, I also think Ableton have not supplied all they should have with Push (e.g. the nonexistent user mode) and we should not have to rely on third party software to make up the shortcomings.
That's exactly the point of a User mode, that a third party (or the user) makes their own script to load there.
I mean there are a lot of low hanging oversights with Push, but that is certainly not one of them!
In this I may agree, it would be nice if we could reconfigure PUSH midi output in user mode.Sional wrote:
Even a £45 Akai LPD8 (and even cheaper Korg devices) comes with software to allow the user to set the pads and controls to their liking.
The controller works as advertised, the scripts expand functionality, they don't fix anything. There are many ways people would choose to design push, it happens ableton choosed one and there is people offering others.Sional wrote: So you think that it is OK for a £429 controller to expect people to have knowledge of scripting or purchase further 3rd party software?
It would be impossible to list all limitations. If a feature is not listed user should assume it's not supported.Sional wrote:Like other manufacturers, Ableton do not advertise the shortcomings of their products.
What is disappointing is that these days reviewers seem loath to point out any limitations in a product (probably scared that they will never get another product to review).
Based on previous midi controllers I have owned, I somehow expected Push's user mode to offer something more. I mean it is just a midi controller and therefore some users may occasionally like to use it with something other than Live.
Are you dense?!Sional wrote:Even a £45 Akai LPD8 (and even cheaper Korg devices) comes with software to allow the user to set the pads and controls to their liking.TomViolenz wrote:What are you talking about, non existing user mode?!Sional wrote: Considering the price, I also think Ableton have not supplied all they should have with Push (e.g. the nonexistent user mode) and we should not have to rely on third party software to make up the shortcomings.
That's exactly the point of a User mode, that a third party (or the user) makes their own script to load there.
I mean there are a lot of low hanging oversights with Push, but that is certainly not one of them!
So you think that it is OK for a £429 controller to expect people to have knowledge of scripting or purchase further 3rd party software?
When you use Push and press the user button the device goes completely blank. Now I am a fairly techy guy and I can handle that but I suspect a lot of users will be saying WTF.
And works as advertisedSional wrote:User mode is a listed feature of Push, hell there is even a dedicated button on the controller to access user mode.
I think the main problem is that many people don't even know about PXT. I mean how many Push users even visit these forums?! So who should tell them?! The guy in the store is usually just as ignorant as them. (even though he may pretent otherwise)login wrote: Would be nice to know how many Push users need more functionality, how many got nativekontrol scripts, etc. Just for the sake of knowing what the majority really needs and expects.
Buy PXT general and stop bitching...Sional wrote:Like other manufacturers, Ableton do not advertise the shortcomings of their products.
What is disappointing is that these days reviewers seem loath to point out any limitations in a product (probably scared that they will never get another product to review).
Based on previous midi controllers I have owned, I somehow expected Push's user mode to offer something more. I mean it is just a midi controller and therefore some users may occasionally like to use it with something other than Live.
As well as being extremely rude you also appear to be the one who is dense. Where exactly have I put words in your mouth and yes I am fully aware of the differences between user scripts, third party scripts and controller editors.TomViolenz wrote: Are you dense?!
The fact that USER fucking mode is for the user to put something in, that is not supplied or influenced by Ableton, has nothing whatsoever to do with Ableton not supplying a ControllerEditor. Those things are not mutualy exclusive, you know?!
Yes, I agree they should have supplied one. NI did with Maschine and it allows me to do glorious things with it even though I long ago stopped using the Maschine software.
But your lack of knowledge on the difference between making your own script(or buy 3rd party) and supplying an Editor for the User mode, does not allow you to put words in my mouth.
Get informed, before you rant at me, dude!
Please point me to exactly where it is advertised how user mode works.login wrote:And works as advertisedSional wrote:User mode is a listed feature of Push, hell there is even a dedicated button on the controller to access user mode.
Funny, you are not even able to understand that you are wrongSional wrote:As well as being extremely rude you also appear to be the one who is dense. Where exactly have I put words in your mouth and yes I am fully aware of the differences between user scripts, third party scripts and controller editors.TomViolenz wrote: Are you dense?!
The fact that USER fucking mode is for the user to put something in, that is not supplied or influenced by Ableton, has nothing whatsoever to do with Ableton not supplying a ControllerEditor. Those things are not mutualy exclusive, you know?!
Yes, I agree they should have supplied one. NI did with Maschine and it allows me to do glorious things with it even though I long ago stopped using the Maschine software.
But your lack of knowledge on the difference between making your own script(or buy 3rd party) and supplying an Editor for the User mode, does not allow you to put words in my mouth.
Get informed, before you rant at me, dude!
The strange thing is that you also agree with me in that you also think that Ableton should have supplied an editor for user mode.
And don't forget that you were the one to start a "rant" with me as per the below quote:
"What are you talking about, non existing user mode?!
That's exactly the point of a User mode, that a third party (or the user) makes their own script to load there."
What you said above is only your opinion of what a user mode should be and may not necessarily coincide with what other people consider a user mode should be.
You may be perfectly happy to use clyphx and PXT but that should not be the expected requirement to access user mode. When compared to other midi controllers the lack of an editor for Push is subpar. So get of your high horse, at the end of the day you are just another end user just like the rest of us.
I do own both PXT Live and PXT General but that doesn't mean that I excuse Ableton for not providing an editor.
i like your positive outlookTomViolenz wrote:Why not?!Inversoundzzz wrote:like you wouldnt want to go into a live performance situation expecting to make all your step sequences from scratch cmon
Be a little adventureous, the complaint about electronic music is always that it's caned music. Show them that it doesn't have to be!
At least be part of you performance in free flow, playing the step sequencer like a real instrument.
I'm in the progress atm, of preparing just such a performance!