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Posted: **Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:47 pm**

I’m sure times have changed (maybe), but back when I was comparing my amateur productions with other amateur productions that blew mine out of the water without fail they were using a lot of samples and loops that they didn’t create themselves and just barely tweaked.

But there is also something to be said about having plenty of time on your hands. Aside from work taking out a serious chunk of your day in hours, it can also be difficult to force yourself into that creative zone after work and that gets a lot more difficult with age.

Posted: **Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:44 pm**

That's just not true at all. You act as if there were no "professional electronic music" before everybody and their grandmom could get their hands on a DAW. The problem with your statement about this is basically what makes living in this time so great, and that is the fact that we have soo many options. If you didn't have as many options as you we do now, you would know that you're absolutely wrong. In other words, if Reason, or Cubase, or FL was the ONLY way to make "professional electronic music", and you wanted to make "professional electronic music", then you would learn how to use one of those programs. As a matter of fact, you would learn to be quite proficient at it.

You're response to what I said earlier actually just proves the point that we are all absolutely SPOILED with options right now. This technology has turned us all in to "Gear Divas", and honestly, I'm starting to think it's absolutely ridiculous, and yet amazing and wondrous all at the same time.

I don't know how old you are, but I just turned 43 a few months ago. When I was a teenager, this was the closest thing that I had to a modern day DAW!!!!

So true.

But inversoundz has a point - the bulk of Kraftwerk's material was made with Pro Tools.

Posted: **Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:52 pm**

tedlogan wrote:So true.

But inversoundz has a point - the bulk of Kraftwerk's material was made with Pro Tools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0OGeEgwKNs

Posted: **Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:53 pm**

I just downloaded Fruity Studio x64 (11.1), and had a look at what is coming in FL12.

WOW! What a change since I purchased Fruity Loops version 2 (as I remember) and used it for my first drum loops.

My go-to DAW is Ableton Live, and I'm learning Maschine, but FL is overwhelming - so much to learn. And I still have to do Flamenco scale practice....

What a wealth of tools available to young people, unimaginable even 10 years ago...

(I'm 74... sigh!)

Posted: **Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:52 am**

Posted: **Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:11 am**

plus, i mean, where would beethoven be without a piano....hmmm...nowhere...i mean he couldve taken hhis musical veracity into some pots and pans but i dont think that wouldve been quite as populuar...

Posted: **Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:14 am**

My mum said I can be whatever I want to be if I set my mind to it.

My girlfriend said I'm a warm-up boyfriend - is that like a warm-up DJ?

Posted: **Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:27 am**

Inversoundzzz wrote:plus, i mean, where would beethoven be without a piano....hmmm...nowhere...i mean he couldve taken hhis musical veracity into some pots and pans but i dont think that wouldve been quite as populuar...

I think Beethoven is close to the worst example you could have picked

I mean the dude composed his last master pieces without ever hearing them, and he made music for symphonic orchestras not pianos....

And I think you totaly misunderstood Kraftwerk and how revolutionary they were. With the tools they had at their disposal (and partly still invented for themselves) "robotized overquantized" was not a limiation of the equipment they couldn't work around, it was the whole freaking aesthetic point of it. They were clasically trained musicians under Schönberg (Google him!) and certainly no no-talent rich kids.

Maybe watch the great 3h documentary Kraftwerk and the electronic music revolution and give them another listen, before you voice these unfounded opinions again.

Posted: **Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:32 am**

double post

Posted: **Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:34 am**

Martin Gifford wrote: My girlfriend said I'm a warm-up boyfriend - is that like a warm-up DJ?

No, much better

Btw, any pics?! Just curious...

Posted: **Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:55 am**

beats me wrote:I’m sure times have changed (maybe), but back when I was comparing my amateur productions with other amateur productions that blew mine out of the water without fail they were using a lot of samples and loops that they didn’t create themselves and just barely tweaked.

But there is also something to be said about having plenty of time on your hands. Aside from work taking out a serious chunk of your day in hours, it can also be difficult to force yourself into that creative zone after work and that gets a lot more difficult with age.

word

Posted: **Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:53 am**

ok well i'm wrong and everyone who disagrees with me is right.....better?

Posted: **Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:58 am**

never criticise Kraftwerk: the first rule.

DAWs are like instruments - its a valid point - all of them are way more sophisticated than the electronics available in the 70s; that's true as well. In the developed world the consumer grade laptop is a folk instrument. You have to learn how to play any instrument and the outcome will be determined by the nature of the instrument and by my ability to play it.
Ultimately, an artist's aesthetic will determine what the output is. When I made music using Logic I would spend a long time making massive arrangements section by section with lots of copying, pasting, resampling and micro edits. In Live I create massive arrangements through jams and overdubs, then edit them down into something more concentrated. The end result is similar because I know what I want to achieve, the only obstacle is putting in the necessary time to learn how to realise those goals - same as any instrument.

Posted: **Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:33 am**

alla re not created equal

Posted: **Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:22 pm**

Kraftwerk.. sorry. I forgot this

I don't like playing wind instruments - I'm rubbish with them. What should I do if I want to have John Coltrane style sounds in my music? 1. I can practice. 2. I can explore what I can do with current instrumental skills. 3. I can say it's not possible for me; the instrument is too weird - I'll do without reedy sustained notes in my music.

1 and 2 are better. You seem to be saying 3 with this statement. " i dont care how muych anyone says every daw can produce the same result...no it cant. each one is different, and each user will be able to use each one with differeing ability, it has nothing to with desired outcome...it is related to the person brain and how they understand melodies and arrangment and how it all realates to eachother. what artist wants to take the time to learn how to use an instrument that feels like razorblades in their hands."

maybe that's a misreading but that's how it looks. It's your life of course, you're welcome to spend your time how you want and need.

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