Debating getting a Push...

[beatz01]

The launchcontrol XL would be perfe4ct if it had an extra set of 8 encoders for macros. The 8 knobs of the third row doesn't cut it.

Why would you need a second row for macros ? On the LCXL you can switch between devices as well as flip through pages on devices that have more than 8 encoders.

An alternative would be to utilize 2 Launch Controls (non XL) or simply a good old BCR2000..

[login]

The launchcontrol XL would be perfe4ct if it had an extra set of 8 encoders for macros. The 8 knobs of the third row doesn't cut it.

Why would you need a second row for macros ? On the LCXL you can switch between devices as well as flip through pages on devices that have more than 8 encoders.

An alternative would be to utilize 2 Launch Controls (non XL) or simply a good old BCR2000..

Because they are pots, not encoders.

[avart]

getting a push? wait for Live 10 first.

[panten]

getting a push? wait for Live 10 first.

Interesting opinion. Any particular reason for this, or just trollalolling?

[avart]

no trolling here! I think there might be something new added, don't really know what - a push 2.0? I just think there will be something new besides a regular update to live to throw money at, so wait and see what's offered first...

[panten]

You could be waiting a Loooooong time. Why wait when you could just get one now and be having fun for the next 5 years.

[avart]

do what you want. "research + wait and see" is my over all approach to pretty much everything... works very well for some things and maybe not that good for other stuff...

[xbitz]

Live 10 errr, do u know this one:

AudioModder VST Bridge for Ableton Push (OS X 64 bit / Windows 7+)

Ableton Push VST Bridge is a library of converted VST presets. It allows owners of Native Instruments Komplete 9 Ultimate 64 Bit VST's, Maschine 1.8.2, UAD Plugins and Soundtoys Native Effects (64 Bit Au only) to utilise presets through Push's browser. Furthermore it opens up many Kontakt, Reaktor instruments, and Guitar Rig presets directly, which is usually a multi-step mouse driven process.

Instruments like Razor, Massive and many others have dials pre-configured so your ready for step automation in Live 9.1 64 Bit when you load any preset from Push.

For Maschine, you can load any kit straight from the Live or Push browser. Every kit is an Ableton preset with split 16 channel routing of sounds configured in Live drum racks. This doesn't just benefit users of Push, but Maschine 1.8.2 users in general- you have 16 individual audio chains ready to add Live's effects and automation. It lets you sequence all your beats and effects automation in Live clips for Maschine. M4L users will benefit from being able to step automate 8 ready mapped parameters per Maschine sound (128 total parameters) when its released.

- http://audiomodder.myshopify.com/collec ... vst-bridge

pure genius , should buy Push+AudioModder and enjoy them instead of lamenting

[xbitz]

btw Lemur has a Push emulation library : Shove, https://liine.net/en/community/user-library/view/421/ so u can try it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uEzBc1YB8Y

[dredd i knight]

I have both ( maschine and push) and love them both. Maschine is great and has a brilliant template for controlling Live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wltm3LhI66Q

Push integrates withlive more seamlessly, but lacks the sample chopping flow that maschine excels at. While maschine lacks audio tracksthe sample manipulation is fast and painless, the real trial with maschine is getting sketches into finished ideas..

Both will be useful and ideally you should get both, but if I were to only have one, it would be maschine, for you I'd say Push might give you the greater gain... But then again with that template and some work maschine studio makes an equally beautiful controller for live...