Richie Hawtin you idiot.

[beats me]

The only techno DJ/producer I really liked was DJ Icey. He actually did breaks but everything electronica back then was called techno.

[Donnie]

Hawtin was too much of a geek to have ghost producers before the 2000's.

As far as drugs go, sure I did plenty, but early Plastikman was part of the soundtrack of my life in high school. Sober, intoxicated, whatever. Of course, I also listen to every electronic genre, always have, and never saw a reason to discriminate...so I don't trouble myself with the issues genre centric heads have with one genre being "boring" or whatever. There's good stuff in every genre, the rest is just whatever.

[Donnie]

Before that it was all about who could louder, harder, faster and cheesier.

PS this is the opposite of Hawtin pre-2000. He was a minimalist back then.

[yup yup]

I liked Sven Väth back in the day (don't know much of what he does now, except that he is also cashing in big with the whole Ibiza thing).
Played some monster after Love Parade sets in front of Tresor.

That said. While I was a big clubber back then, I was always aware that Techno in the 90s was pretty horrible music made better with drugs.

The first acts that were of a higher musical quality (Sven Väth somewhat among them) only turned that way when the tools got better in the 2000s.

Before that it was all about who could louder, harder, faster and cheesier.

Could it be that your positive memory is tainted by the drugs you took back then?! It certainly is for me.

Also when mentioning Sven Väth, he at least has a looooooong list of decent to good releases he made himself. I hear Hawtin is all about ghost producing.

And what is a Lounge thread without a little trolling

It was mentioned somewhere here before and this confirms it. You really don't know what your talking about do you? Horrible music made better with drugs? Before that it was all about who could louder, harder, faster and cheesier?

[memes_33]

A bunch of weenies. I went to punk shows in the 70s where performers would regularly cold-cock out of control audience members with mike stands and guitars.

totally agree. if you are not getting assaulted by the performer at the shows you are going to, you are going to the wrong shows.

[smutek]

I woke up naked on the beach in Ibiza in 1988.

[regretfullySaid]

It's not a real party until somebody dies.

[TomViolenz]

It was mentioned somewhere here before and this confirms it. You really don't know what your talking about do you? Horrible music made better with drugs? Before that it was all about who could louder, harder, faster and cheesier?

There is obviously no accounting for taste, but I maintain that stance at least for a better part of the 90s, and I think that notalgia for this being the time when you (and I) were young is severly clouding your judgement.

I have a hard time thinking of anything from before '98 that held up to the tests of time.

I don't even mean that in a bad way. The sub culture around it was definitely new and absolutely liberating.

But look at the available tools at the time and the people doing it.

A TB 303, TR 808 etc. had a very limited sound pallete and even if you didn't use the inbuild sequencers but connected them to an Atari ST, the sequencing and sound shaping was extremly limited.

People back then took a Punk attitude and just started to produce. At that time you could basically get everything released anyways.

Which is good and was necessary to get more people involved in it and thinking they can do it too.

But be serious here: Popular genres back then were: Happy HardCore (lol), Trance and Gabba for fucks sake.

I for one can't listen to anything from back then without cringing.

[yup yup]

Wow. Still talking.

[yup yup]

A parting gift. Dig deeper...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drexciya

[TomViolenz]

Wow. Still talking.

Yes, to you

So do you actually have anything to say or do you just concede the point?!

[yup yup]

Yeah I concede the point Not wasting another second on this shit. DIG DEEPER.

[TomViolenz]

Thought so

[lowshelf]

No way that's the real Richie Hawtin. Week before the gig, he got top score on his Starfighter arcade machine.

I woke up naked on the beach in Ibiza in 1988.

There's a separate thread dedicated to the new Terminator movie. Don't forget to add a SPOILER ALERT.

[eyeknow]

Thought so