Ableton Forum

Anonymous wrote:

dirtystudios wrote:the hard drives are slower and it looks like the 12"'s lack a cardbus slot as well (all you hammerfall users beware). that, coupled with the lack of l3 is enough to make me get over how gosh darn cute it is really quick. built in bluetooth kinda rocks, but that hardly makes up for the rest

the new drives are ATA/100 on both the 12 & 17, the old 15 had ATA/66

if i remember correctly, the old tibooks had 5400 rpm drives while the new ones have 4200's.

Will the "old" 15-inch Powerbooks continue to boot in OS 9 .... it's important for me to know this, so any info is certainly appreciated....

i think i remember hearing somewhere that the new apple hardware will still actually boot in os9, but they won't be shipping with it. anyone able to confirm this?

k

dirtystudios wrote:
i think i remember hearing somewhere that the new apple hardware will still actually boot in os9, but they won't be shipping with it. anyone able to confirm this?

k

Well, THIS would be really strange - it definitely says OSX on the apple site. If anyone knows, please chime in! That would be THE reason to get the 17" Book....

Whaddaya geezers mean by that? Don't it boot up in whatever OS you ask it to? (Not exactly my field of expertise, this).

And I still think that 17" is too friggin' big! That's supposed to sit in my lap? I take that as an insult!!

noisetonepause wrote:
And I still think that 17" is too friggin' big! That's supposed to sit in my lap? I take that as an insult!!

you're right tho - probably more suitable as a desktop replacement proper....


forumat

dirtystudios wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

dirtystudios wrote:the hard drives are slower and it looks like the 12"'s lack a cardbus slot as well (all you hammerfall users beware). that, coupled with the lack of l3 is enough to make me get over how gosh darn cute it is really quick. built in bluetooth kinda rocks, but that hardly makes up for the rest

the new drives are ATA/100 on both the 12 & 17, the old 15 had ATA/66

if i remember correctly, the old tibooks had 5400 rpm drives while the new ones have 4200's.

Will the "old" 15-inch Powerbooks continue to boot in OS 9 .... it's important for me to know this, so any info is certainly appreciated....

i think i remember hearing somewhere that the new apple hardware will still actually boot in os9, but they won't be shipping with it. anyone able to confirm this?

k

The old ones were 5400rpm 40GB's and 4200rpm 60GB's I beleive. With the data density on the 60GB, the throughput and seek times were actually better than the 40GB.

i'm not sure but i did hear something about allowing *certain* models to boot into os9 until the middle of the year (june). this is due to Quark being lazy bastards with their release of XPress for X, apparently it does not work to well through classic.

Kodama wrote:No L3 cache, but it does have a 256k L2 cache and a 133mhz bus and DDR ram.

It's basically a badass silver iBook, which is cool by me!!

I just can't wait to bench it out w/Live and Reason (which IS G4 optimized)

The bus speed on the 12.1" AlBook is actually 266Mhz, which is double the bus speed on the 15.2" TiBook. This, and the fact that the AlBook uses ATA/100 drives instead of ATA/66 will probably equal the performance of the newer TiBooks for audio apps. I've heard of people using the newer iMacs for audio without any problems even though they have only a 100Mhz bus and no L3 cache. The small AlBook should be superior for audio compared to the iMac.

Anonymous wrote:
The bus speed on the 12.1" AlBook is actually 266Mhz, which is double the bus speed on the 15.2" TiBook. This, and the fact that the AlBook uses ATA/100 drives instead of ATA/66 will probably equal the performance of the newer TiBooks for audio apps. I've heard of people using the newer iMacs for audio without any problems even though they have only a 100Mhz bus and no L3 cache. The small AlBook should be superior for audio compared to the iMac.

Erm... I really wish you were right and that the new 12 inch powerbook really did have a 266Mhz system bus. Unfortunately, you've got the bus speed confused with the speed of the DDR RAM, which, as is implied by the name, runs at twice the system bus speed, which is 133 Mhz.

I wish they would have picked a different material to make it out of... just for the name... an AlBook just isn't as cool as a TiBook. I just have these thoughts of this really fat guy named Al I used to work with.

this 12" could have been the end-all of perfectness for laptop musicians EXCEPT for the:

-slow HD
-NO L3 CACHE!!??!??
-no PCMCIA slot!!!

they should have just called this the new iBook. the 17", is a monster and i would think twice before bringing into a bar for a show. i wish they would just do it right for once. i think the iBook is still the ultimate Live machine.

Some new Macs purchased through education channels can be set to boot into OS 9. This is deliberately difficult to set up with Apple for obvious reasons, though still an option to education purchasers.

-Alex

Anonymous wrote:i think the iBook is still the ultimate Live machine.

you mean the -- or, any -- pc laptop.

live is the only app i've ever seen bring a tibook/osx crashing to a halt.

Hmmm the Albook...

Anybody sense a Paul Simon commercial coming? Would be cool if a good Live remix of that dreadful song could make it onto the TV spot : )

steve

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i think the iBook is still the ultimate Live machine.

you mean the -- or, any -- pc laptop.

live is the only app i've ever seen bring a tibook/osx crashing to a halt.

Unfortunately, this is very true

but cheer up, I'm sure they're working on it.!

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