what the hell? seriously man. i'm usually trying to be diplomatic and calm but...Machinesworking wrote:"don't instal Live, and bitch for free updates that you really don't deserve", seriously, you bought Live 4, not 5, and though it's very nice of Ableton to give you 5, I really do not think they should have, you do not in fact deserve it. From what I can tell you are not a crack user, and I don't mean to imply you are but your reasoning is similar.
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but how do you really think it's a legit complaint? " I bought Live 4 a year ago, but because I didn't need it, so I want a free update to the next version!" I'm happy for you, that Ableton decided to be nice to you, but I'm not sure I understand why you need to bitch about it online? and like I said, the precedent you're setting isn't so good. If you really do have the cash to buy software you do not use, why in hell should you get free updates over people who struggle to buy software they do in fact use?
the upgrade rules say that if someone UNLOCKS THE SOFTWARE after certain date, he is eligible for a FREE UPDATE TO V5. it doesn't matter one bit whether someone who should get the update needs it or not, whether he (or she) is rich or poor, black or white, married or single. the policy says he should get the update. if it would be "if you have bought live4 before this and this date and you're so poor that you can't afford getting v5 update, you'll get it for free", it would be entirely different matter but it doesn't say that.
if the policy wasn't there, astral fridge magnet obviously wouldn't have complained. why pay for something when the rules clearly state you should get it for free? even if you have a well-paid job, it's always 150 euros (or whatever) that can be spent on something else or saved. it might even not be about the money but the principle - it'd definitely be so with me if i was in a similar situation. it doesn't have anything to do about the company being worth supporting or not either (i know abletons are) but just about the fact that you should be getting something for free. based on that, it IS a legit complaint.
if this really is some kind of personal conquest against rich people then fine, i'm not going to be any part of it. for the record, i'm a lousy student, my budget for a whole month (food, bus trips, etc.) is something like 200 euros after i pay my rent for a single 10 sqm room and a kitchen + living room shared with a roomie... and the only times i can actually buy anything extra is when i get some work at summertime or get any little gigs / project work offers which is usually like once or twice a year. i have a small but IMO very decent music making setup, since most of my spare money goes to things like that... i don't care. money's no meter for happiness.
but i still think that if it's said that "you get the upgrade for free if you've unlocked your software after this point" then anyone who has unlocked the software after that point should damn well get the upgrade. if someone has bought the software to his shelf when it's come out and hasn't used it, how does he differ from someone who's bought the upgrade a year later? both persons haven't been using live4 and both persons have a l4 upgrade in their hands.
frankly, you don't know what kind of guy astral fridge magnet is in reality and IMO you're in no position to accuse him of being a spoiled brat who has no use for stuff he buys. if it's about the stableness of his DAW then let it be.
like you said, you won't be getting any friends with that post - and i'm sure you aren't a bad guy at all but i do strongly disagree with what you said. and i'm kind of surprised that the original posts have raised so much negative feedback. and sorry for being somewhat harsh myself but i guess that's what you get with provocative posts like that
