Techno is dead?

EVOLEME · Post by **EVOLEME** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:28 pm

well thank you everyone. I didnt so much mean it was dead completely. i live in cleveland like is aid, i look at whos coming and whos playing shows here and its mostly top 40, latin, somre reggea, and alt. I would like to move outta here eventualy into a bigger city but cant right now. and besides that, any shows i do go to the techo is laim as hell. and everyone seems to be stuck in some laim "niche" that they wont get outta. wheres the stuf to party to? I dont do drugs anymore but damn i still enjoy the music. I guess everything got mixed with the mainstream crap as said above. i dunno, i just wanted some imput on the scene that is out there now. I cant have any kind of idea without being out there. So thanx again everyone. I will continue to do what i enjoy which is writing techno. And i think that it will come back strong like it was 5 years ago. just gotta wait for all the new kids to get into it.

ishimaru · Post by **ishimaru** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:39 pm

hoffman2k wrote:
ishimaru wrote:Techno has saviours ...

Jeff Mills
Hawtin
Ellen Allien
Matthew Dear (Audion)
Michael Mayer
Many many others to be listed but I am a little hungover.

It's funny when people say something is dying. it's only because you stop paying attention. Get with it and make others do the same. You can't kill Techno.
Yeah. They're great. But very expensive. You wont get these guys to do little clubs if the promoter has to make his money back.
Jeff Mills once received 25 000€ for 2 or 3 hour set on "I love techno" (huge indoor festival)
Thats just insane. And that was around the year 2000. When he just performed the same set over and over again.
Last year he rocked though. A new fresh set and sound, mixed with the classics....

The point is... You rarely get the "great" ones to perform in an intimate club, because they are so damn expensive. They only get booked for those huge commercial events.

Depends on your scene. Seriously if the DJ loves your area and the people are 'avin it (people still say that in the UK?) they can come cheap. I know that DJ's are overpaid but some of them honestly earned it. It's like if you've been in the same company doing the same position for 10-20 years. Wouldn't you get a bit of money for doing it? Regardless of skill? Of course.

EVOLEME · Post by **EVOLEME** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:31 pm

Everyone who replied to this post seems to be pretty knowledgeable on the subject. So if anyone would care to lend some constructive criticism on my music I would be much obliged. Tell me what its missing, tell me if it has emotion, tell me w/e. thank you all again

-love the people-
-love the music-
-OnEx-

www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?songs=297005&T=8741

Strauzzie · Post by **Strauzzie** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:59 pm

Evoleme, I'm also a Clevelander.. the techno scene here is far from dead. There are a few crews consistently throwing good shows. For instance, Plate Tectonics has a monthly at Abbasso, and the dudes at Bent Crayon (great record store) have a techno monthly at Touch Supper Club. Also, Dwreck and Boompsie have a 2x4 + EFX weekly on Fridays at Krave (in the flats).

Check out clevelandnightlife.net and make some connections there, I think you'll be surprised at the number of people pushing things forward here.

Also, if you're interested in doing some Ableton collabs, hit me up. JBible on this forum is also a clevelander doing big things with his expermedia.net label.

- Strauzzie

mike holiday · Post by **mike holiday** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:39 pm

all that matters is the love

if you love it do it

im very selfish. i play for no one but myself. i don't care if anybody (everybody) hates the music i play. I dig it and that is what matters for me. I have absolutly no expectations.

i relocated to alaska 8 years ago because i was so fed up with the rat race.

(ok realy my love for BIG mountain skiing hooked me here)

BUT i can assure you the sceen is much much smaller here in anchorage.
but it still works

and this place is bassfuckingackwards lowtech...i know people who live with out running water and electricity (and they are close)

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:12 am

mike holiday wrote:.....
and this place is bassfuckingackwards lowtech...i know people who live with out running water and electricity (and they are close)

Yeah man, I've always been fascinated by your presence - A live user from Alaska - kind of always seemed like strange bedfellows - but maybe I just watched too much northern exposure

but then I guess people would probably be the same about the place I'm originally from Tasmaina - which is probably Australias closest thing, cold by Australian standards, but nowhere near Alaska, and a bit isolated (but still only an hour flight from Melbourne so not really)...they seem to have a stomping scene now days - just loads of people up for a party who caught the house/techno bug late so they're in there now - I read somewhere Tiefscwarz are doing NYE there! that would spin you out if you knew the place

kind of makes me think about places in Eastern Europe, like serbia now home of the Exit festival, really big reputation in Techno - but the impression I have is they were late bloomers too - it's like places that catch on late keep it alive because while some of the original cities did it years ago and start to get sick of it, the vibe is still there in these places because it still feels quite new and exciting...

anyway, EVOLEME: - there are so many online resources and net radio stations playing some of the great music out there to ge tinspired by, the problem now is what always happens and makes logical sense really - the more people that get on board and start making music, then the more music is out there which means it can get harder to find the stuff you like because you have to wade through piles and piles of stuff to get to it. So it's all still there, just buried in amongst it all....

But it only makes sense that there would be MORE out there, you just have to look harder

FaX-01 · Post by **FaX-01** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:00 am

lola wrote:
claudek wrote: I think what America made before was techno but later Europe commercialized it and turned what was art into a product. .
But true techno came form europe.

What kraftwerk was for Juan atkins and Richard Davis who formed Cybotron.
Was a French disco song made by kikrokos THE blue print for detroit techno.
This French song is from 1978!! and has later been edited by Ron Hardy, and played in clubs.
Derrick May must have been visiting one of his nights, cuz his music almost sounds the same as the one from kikrokos!

Therefore i say, the first techno came from europe, from france.

Well i can keep going on, why don't u take a listen,i made a little snippet.

Check http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2DZV ... YBI2IEA4G4

LOLA if you wish to use that MP3 snippet as an example I suggest you listen to SOFTCELL's Memorabillia from around 80-81 then cause it sounds an awful lot like acid house to my ears.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:34 am

techno music is still in the mix

all the big dawgs are rocking it - down in South America and Ibiza

I think Glitch is what's hot right now in Seattle - to bad I'm not into glitch, minimal stuff

I like agressive funky techno beats - Marco Carola, Ben Sims, Chris Liebing action

"Powered by Native Instruments"

peace - tekno is still kickin

a

lola · Post by **lola** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:34 am

FaX-01 wrote:
lola wrote:
claudek wrote: I think what America made before was techno but later Europe commercialized it and turned what was art into a product. .
But true techno came form europe.

What kraftwerk was for Juan atkins and Richard Davis who formed Cybotron.
Was a French disco song made by kikrokos THE blue print for detroit techno.
This French song is from 1978!! and has later been edited by Ron Hardy, and played in clubs.
Derrick May must have been visiting one of his nights, cuz his music almost sounds the same as the one from kikrokos!

Therefore i say, the first techno came from europe, from france.

Well i can keep going on, why don't u take a listen,i made a little snippet.

Check http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2DZV ... YBI2IEA4G4

LOLA if you wish to use that MP3 snippet as an example I suggest you listen to SOFTCELL's Memorabillia from around 80-81 then cause it sounds an awful lot like acid house to my ears.

Yea but this topic was about techno, one of the reasons that i posted that snippet is because i never heard someone out of the early scene, who gave Kirikokos some credits. Its about time someone did

Oh yea and the snippet that i posted is from 1978, but i said that already.

markaugust · Post by **markaugust** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:11 am

yep...second that.
if you go back far enough, you come in africa, where a tribe plays on the drums and bongos a hundred or thousand years back or so;
straight up techno sometimes, if you ask me...

oh yeah; don't forget about E2-E4 from manuel gottsching, you guys...
what was that? '82 or something?
the base for sueno latino that was; for people that don't know what I am talking about.
(of which remix of derrickmay was one of his best ever)

also; never dead; just evolving
and god knows that can be quite a process
he once told me it never stops

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:30 am

I live in Dallas, Texas. What's Techno?

I completely agree with Hoffmann. I really hope ClearChannel can maximize profits with R&B and Hippity Hoppety. The cult of electronica should never have become mainstream. I'm gonna go listen to my Aqua records now.

-Neb"Barbie-Girl"ulae

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:28 am

nebulae wrote:I live in Dallas, Texas. What's Techno?

really? I know nothing about it, but Texas always having its solid technology industry I would have thought it would be somewhere it would be big...of course that's some vague impression accross the wires I dont know anything about it...

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:45 am

forge wrote:
nebulae wrote:I live in Dallas, Texas. What's Techno?

really? I know nothing about it, but Texas always having its solid technology industry I would have thought it would be somewhere it would be big...of course that's some vague impression accross the wires I dont know anything about it...

While there is much technology here, it's more along the lines of the imported kind. As in Dell Support's, "Hello, my name is Rajneeshuddin, but you can call me Joe."

And while these guys are very good at business and technology, their idea of a good beat is the newest download from P.Ditty on Itunes (which they feel real "cool" about having downloaded from Limewire).

I'm pretty sure the Autin scene is WAY better, but up here in Dallas, the best thing about the crap club scene is all the fake boob jobs.

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:09 am

lola wrote:Techno died already in 94 for me, since it has become loop based militaristic tsoocho train music.
The soul dissapeared totaly.

lol...

Sorry man, but what exactly are you listening to?

As has been stated a few times already the minimal scene is off the hook and I think is very diverse right now with a shit load of artists making great tracks. Every thing from deliciously funky, soulful, groovin stuff to striped down souless machine grooves. It's out there dude.

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:22 am

smutek wrote:
lola wrote:Techno died already in 94 for me, since it has become loop based militaristic tsoocho train music.
The soul dissapeared totaly.
lol...

Sorry man, but what exactly are you listening to?

As has been stated a few times already the minimal scene is off the hook and I think is very diverse right now with a shit load of artists making great tracks. Every thing from deliciously funky, soulful, groovin stuff to striped down souless machine grooves. It's out there dude.

I'd love to know more about this "great minimalist Berlin movement" that I hear a lot about. Not being sarcastic....this is an honest question. Tell me what's so great about it. Who are some of the best artists? (and don't BJ Henke by telling me about Monolake.) Seriously, what's this sound and what's great about it? How is it breaking new ground like early Orbital, or some of the great stuff of the early 90s? Or for that matter, how is it progressing electronic music like Kraftwerk did?