Alright, I'm with you. Bring on the MIDI sequencing...

[Guest]

i hope that live won't get mIdI to , because mIdI is crap .
here we have the solution to pass through midi , with live.
If you wan't acces to VSTi , i think there R enough with Project5, buzz ,rEaSon ......
Live is aimed to audio and will remain to audio forever
we have midi mapping now, n the new pitch enveloppe feature makes great acces ti pitch and loop transposition, to build new phrazes , new music.
even , we should have a way to move the warps markers via midi .
Imagine that live is a unique software sampler/sequence , we should only use it what for it's aimed.
KnTo

Absaloute rubbish. everything you say simply reeks of someone who has no clue about music whatsover. MIDI IS CRAP.....FOOL if it werent for midi you wouldnt have Ableton Live today, and furthermore just about every single record or demo you hear today has midi involved somewhere.

AND we KNOW MIDI isnt audio, but THEY BOTH work hand in hand very nicely. There are many things you cant do with audio that you can with midi. In fact there isnt a single thing I can think of that I cant do with a sampler and midi that I could with audio files....getting confused?? he he

Ableton Give us Midi and dont listen to crap from people who have no idea whatsover about making music.

[Guest]

"Midi is needed for the studio version. Its a simple as that."

Find people who can play their instrumentss and record it live. It's how many studios have worked for decades. Absract for midi fiddlers maybe, but true.

OK, who do you know can play my TR909 drum machine by hand???

dumbass!

[Guest]

Wow ! I never thought MIDI would lead Live users to such extremities. Sorry for the MIDI freaks, but I also feel Live would loose its originality and lightness if MIDI was incorporated. You know, they start with VSTi and then people ask for full editing capabilities and so on then we end with a mammoth !

Then Ableton Live will remain a Niche market product forever, never really groing past the limitations of an audio only app. I mean it cant afterall.. Lets face it the dudes that build Live probably started out all enthusiastic and they still are I shoudl point out. But the Lure of the $$$$ will get the better of them Why have 5000 users when you could have 10000

Its practically a foregone conclsusion midi will happen in live. when??? I have no idea.

maybe:

Live 5......kinda has a ring to it.

[learnedevolution]

perhaps i am going crazy, but my mac g3 seems to be moving my files out of live and into never-never land. i can't fucking find them! so all my samples, loops, recordings seem to be "missing" all the song structures and what not are still in place, but the SAMPLES ARE GONE.

i do hope there is help to this problem. otherwise i will be a depressed boy.

PLEASE HELP!!!

j

[KnTo]

who have no idea whatsover about making music.

what the hell do you think you R and want to mean?

Live is fully audio, led with full midi automation,
that's hard enough to built , that Live mIdI control is enough.

Do you think that live woulds remain to be Live with mIdI editing?
there is so much more to build with "mIdI controlled aUdiO".
definitly live doensn't need mIdI sequencing.....

never really groing past the limitations of an audio only brings new amazing enveloppes features , midi mapping...........
we can go deeper in full aUdIo :
sounds morphing that live hasn't actually ; pitch recognizing as Melodyne
maybe "poly-loop" sounds features ,i mean overlaying loops on a different chanel.
maybe live would getadulth if we hAd strong audioediting features such normalize, reverse ,slicing , auto fades, analizers,
we also shoulds have a layered wiew of all the envelope automation to have better mastering improvement

no Live definitly doensn't need midi editing and as i choiced to work with because it's full audio ,if had mIdI wouldn't be Ableton Live anymore but would become such a crap fantazist producing software.

[Guest]

your english is rather broken, so your rants are a bit hard to understand, but as I've said before, have at least a bit of logical reasoning as to why midi insided live would be so bad and would ruin the software. Problem is there is no reason, it wouldn't become the focus of the software, just an additional feature to make live competetive with the PT, logic, DAW crowd. Without vstis and midi editing, these programs are necessary, and that sucks. Rewire is not that smooth, so for those of us doing serious studio producion (I know its called live, but we've been over this in this thread 800 times--people use it for all kinds of things--i use it live at gigs weekly, but also produce with it in my studio), we want everything inside Live, not rewire and some big clunky PT app. Please try to make a serious argument, or at least some sense, rather than just ranting and raving and trying to speak for everyone and tell ableton what to do.

ryan

[Guest]

OK, who do you know can play my TR909 drum machine by hand??? dumbass!

Well, ou can just record those with 24-bit fidelity can't you? Live can be used to trigger pattern sequences you see or it is possible to sync use MIDI sync with a little investment and record that live, much like recording audio from a VSTi. Get the idea? Numbnuts!

[Guest]

There are many things you cant do with audio that you can with midi.

Yes. You can end up pissing about spending your life editing note-lengths\etc instead of things you could have just played it in as a live take in the first place. Yah know...... LIVE!!!!!!!!

[Guest]

There are many things you cant do with audio that you can with midi.

Yes. You can end up pissing about spending your life editing note-lengths\etc instead of things you could have just played it in as a live take in the first place. Yah know...... LIVE!!!!!!!!

WOW............I cant believe what im reading. Rather than just implement midi in to live. YOU would rather have a convulted workaround, Its like you would rather not see midi in Live simply to prevent others from having it.

All these NO people are simply being ignorant. Midi could be implemented in Live without the need to change the interface at all. If you dont want to use it........then dont. You wont notice its there.

I seriously hope Ableton arent listening to the NO MIDI people.

[Guest]

OK, who do you know can play my TR909 drum machine by hand??? dumbass!

Well, ou can just record those with 24-bit fidelity can't you? Live can be used to trigger pattern sequences you see or it is possible to sync use MIDI sync with a little investment and record that live, much like recording audio from a VSTi. Get the idea? Numbnuts!

Do you realise what you are saying dude??

Im convinced people like you have an alterior motive for no midi in live. I have a good idea what it is, but I aint a shrink.

Dont you understand that folks simply want an all in one system. Thats the whole point. We dont want a workaround, or have to use a second sequencer. Its easy. We actually love Live more than you do as we do not wish to inhibit its development. We rejoice in our use of Live and so should you my friend. If midi offends you , then you simply dont have to use it.

I think this whole argument is going to rage on and on. I think it would be best if Ableton simply posted a sticky on their thoughts about midi. Is it something tehy are thinking about? I would liek to know. If they have no intention of ever implementing midi I think we all have a right to know. I doubt I am the only one waiting for some sign that midi will become available in teh future.


ABLETON: The not knowing is the worst part. If Midi in Live is not on teh agenda I think it would be best for you to tell us. Keeping it a secret (especially if you never have the intention) simply frustrates users. In all honesty, if midi is never to be implemented in Live I would certainly start looking around for a Live alternative. Please Ableton DO NOT take that as some sort of childish threat. Its just that I always thought Midi was a foregone conclusion in a future update and I thought something might have shown this with Ver 3. Now Im very worried that you are listening to these people.

Just tell us if its a possibility at least. Or even you have thought about it. I hate this silence, there is no real need for it. Be a 'Cool' company and dont take tips from other older companies.

OK, and I didnt want to say this. But Ableton.......you have some serious competition just around the corner and it is a soon tp be released product from Steinberg. I think you guys must know about this new product X

Now thats only one (it has midi btw) how many more Live style applications are going to appear over the next year or so that will do everything Live can, but wwith added midi.

Ableton, you cant get to cosy. If you dont add midi, I believe it will damage your business substantially over time. I have headr you guys are also working on another app/ Dont you think you shoudl add midi in your current one first.......unless of course if the new app is Live Studio version??

Come on Ableton throw us a bone here. To much speculation isnt good (aka Mach 5) it hasnt done them much good!. Nobody is buying the thing becaus ethey bored of the hype and simply looked elsewhere.

I see you ned a marketing person. Well, he/she is going to have their work cut out ofr them with a midiless app.

Ive said my peace.

Give us something Ableton.....\

[Guest]

Do you realise what you are saying dude??

Yes. It's just based on my needs that have shifted over the years as I gues your needs have/are. If I want an all in one cluttered up MIDI/Audio app with editing options there are many already available. I see Live as a supermodern multipart/track tape recorder/sampler/playback application for use in live music. It's even in Abletons advertising from the start and what drew me to it in the first place. Being able to trigger VSTi's via MIDI into clips, playing them live via controllers, I would find useful along with the facilities already there but with Rewire adapters coming out that handle the job it's no biggie although it would be nice to be integrated.

That's how I see it. Nothing more. You have your vision of what you need, I have mine. Neither of us is "right" but I fear personally the app just becoming more of the same with yet more tedious MIDI editing that can be done in any other app out there.

Im convinced people like you have an alterior motive for no midi in live. I have a good idea what it is, but I aint a shrink.

Well, you carry on convincing yourself to support your own argument. There isn't, it's just an opinion in a forum. Don't read too much into it and best not taking up psychology also

[Guest]

Dude.

[nosuch]

That MIDI or not discussion sucks. some people need it, some do not. that's all.
As I like the concept and interface of live, I'd love to do all my work in live.
I need midi. I can't do anything I have to do just with audio (to be honest it's often faster to play it on a keyboard then search the library). I can do it with rewire now, but I do not think that's the most convenient way. and I cannot use all the soft synths I'd like (e.g. reaktor) and I think editing an arrangement in two applications sucks.
It's about productivity.
It's that simple.

I will have to look at a different application to get my work done. But I'd definately prefer to do it in live.
live would not loose profile if it had midi sequencing.

As I think that many people feel the same I set up a poll:
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5224
Please vote and specify your requirements in a comment.
let the ableton crew know what you need.

[Guest]

well put nosuch, its all about productivity and smooth workflow--rewire doesn not hack it, at all. AS others have suggested, maybe there will become different versions of Live, one that stays with the current audio and live focus, and another that is more of the whole package DAW studio with midi (and vsti) recording and editing, a STEP sequencer, etc. I would definitely pay more off the shelf or for an upgrade to a studio version of Live with these fearues, and markers, which we really need.

ryan

[Guest]

Do you realise what you are saying dude??

Yes. It's just based on my needs that have shifted over the years as I gues your needs have/are. If I want an all in one cluttered up MIDI/Audio app with editing options there are many already available. I see Live as a supermodern multipart/track tape recorder/sampler/playback application for use in live music.

you have a couple of points in this paragraph alone that completely negates your argument.

1st "My needs' You have set your mind to never even attempt to explore the further capabilities 'Live' would have if its own internal midi were used.

2nd You see Live as a supermodern multitrack. Exactly. So do I. But wait a minute............wouldnt you say its a little closer to a Full Blown Daw than to a fancy tape machine. Whats the only thing missing from Live to disqualify it from being a full fledged member of the DAW community. Yes Midi.

3rd Now that weve established that Live is missing the full fledged DAW title by a cats whisker this pretty much toasts YOUR argument that adding midi would somehow turn 'Live' in to something resembling like Logic.

4. (and this one isnt even in your paragraph, but its all over your argument). You must either play all your instruments in real time never using midi to record them first or you dont use midi at all. Either case thats your choice. If you tell me that you use Live as a rewire instrument, I would be really interested to know why you prefer using 2 software packages at the same time. Are you a glutten for punishment? You see, I wouldnt believe you if you told me that you preferred using 2 programs at teh same time. So this would mena you are a loop musician or you never use midi at all. Thats what I cant understand about you lot. You never give a good reason for suggesting midi should never be implemented in Live. You people are always seem to be happy with some workaround or another. Well believe me, very few people like workarounds when using audio software. Apart from you fears of Live suddenly becoming to complicated for you to use I see nothing EVER in arguments of your sort that leads me to believe your points have some credible basis. Remember you cannot win by Fear. And that my friend is the tale you spin......

4th. You see Live as a sampler do you. OK, apart from using a sample CD, rewire, any kind of midi whatsoever. Tell me how do you plant to compose a 16 piece string section?? Unless you have an ACTUAL orchestra and a great room and mics at your disposal, its going to be pretty difficult isnt it. But yeh, I forget you would probably just use rewire wouldnt you. I ask you again WHY dont you want midi in LIVE again????.........