XONE: 3D???

Nymbus · Post by **Nymbus** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:31 pm

it stopped working properly after about a half hour

I'm going to give it one more shot with a new unit, but I'm not too happy with allen & heath right now.

robtronik · Post by **robtronik** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:44 pm

subterFUSE wrote:It just arrived.

Opening box now.

mine came today too. but I sent it back. They still sent me the unit that I cancelled a long time ago. It was hard to say no and send it back.

rob.

ground_control · Post by **ground_control** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:58 pm

Dude, you are way too honest, Rob. You didn't even have to keep it, you could've just played around with it and sent it back in a week. Admirable...in a sad sort of way.

J

robtronik · Post by **robtronik** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:12 am

ground_control wrote:Dude, you are way too honest, Rob. You didn't even have to keep it, you could've just played around with it and sent it back in a week. Admirable...in a sad sort of way.

J

well, I should be totally forthcomign and say that I have a loaner unit coming my way via the A&H unit for testing purposes. Should be here shortly. So, its not that I'm strictly honest. I'm just patient.

(whatt up man. surprised you haven't been on here more).

rob.

ground_control · Post by **ground_control** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:08 am

Meh, you know me; I tend to sit back and watch on these types of things before I start posting. Gives me an idea of the forum politics.

J

robtronik · Post by **robtronik** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:45 am

ground_control wrote:Gives me an idea of the forum politics.

J

heh, plenty of that going around.

LOL.

rob.

nuperspective · Post by **nuperspective** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:44 am

A&H have missed the target completely with the 3D. its an A&H mixer!... ...yeah but is that enough? personnally, i dont see the need for a mixer in my set up. every club has one, why take your own.

they had the right idea with the 92, but have completely moved in the wrong direction. if i needed a mixer i would choose the new pioneer its the way they should have gone in terms of midi integration.

and thats before you get into size, price and the techincal issues. on a related note: how can we say 'yeah, but we get that trade mark A&H build quality' when 50% of the units have had to go back! all the PR in the world cant make up for a bad idea. like my old man used to say 'you cant polish a turd'

sorry - end of rant.

hujib · Post by **hujib** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:50 am

nuperspective wrote: i dont see the need for a mixer in my set up. every club has one, why take your own. .

It seems more and more people feel this way - I can't relate! Would you go play a club and use the Guitar they had in house? The drumkit?! (sure, but it's not ideal) I dunno.. maybe for the way I work the analog mixer is a bigger part of the setup. I use it more intimately then I do when djing.. the last thing I'd want is some weird mixer to have to connect to and then hope it works the way mine at home/studio does. And more importantly.. if people don't need an analog mixer, why even look at the 3D. They obviously intended it to be centered around their DJ line of mixer design. Don't complain an Apple isn't a Banana!

nuperspective · Post by **nuperspective** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:55 am

i did say I not WE.

and im comparing a A&H and a pioneer, not an apple and a banana.

pioneer have a far more integrated approach to a midi / audio controller / dj mixer.

hujib · Post by **hujib** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:55 am

I realize it was an "I" statement but a lot of others feel the same tis all. I'm not to familiar with the new MIDI spec of the Pioneers - I'll have to take a look!

nuperspective · Post by **nuperspective** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:13 am

what A&H should have done is take the 92 midi integrated mixer. expand the midi functionality add a few more midi buttons and released a unique and desirable dj mixer hybrid. this would have the trademark A&H sound with all the bells and whistle people lusted after when hawtin had his custom 92. that way launching an affordable midi / dj mixer controller in £1000 price range.

instead we have a half ass cut and shut design. which is rather lazy in its approach and not very well debugged.

credit where its due though.

getting in and releasing a half ass contoller / mixer just when everyone is so sick of waiting for the controller companies to design something useful their just about ready to buy anything that comes along. including me.

subterFUSE · Post by **subterFUSE** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:29 am

what A&H should have done is take the 92 midi integrated mixer. expand the midi functionality add a few more midi buttons

They did that already.... it is called the 3D.

subterFUSE · Post by **subterFUSE** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:41 am

Nymbus wrote:it stopped working properly after about a half hour

I'm going to give it one more shot with a new unit, but I'm not too happy with allen & heath right now.

Mine is also not working.

I installed drivers, and plugged it up. But I was getting horrible buzzing noise through the soundcard. I don't think it is ground loop noise, because I've never heard ground noise this loud before.

The noise goes away for a few seconds every couple of minutes.

I contacted the USA tech support, and they suggested I run the Config Utility and adjust the routing settings. I did this, and now the noise is gone... but I can't get any sound at all now.

Also, one of my MIDI sliders is fucked up. The slider was slightly bent, and it toggles random MIDI codes even when you are not sliding it. My MIDI is set to Absolute, so that's not it either.

I am not happy.

I have e-mailed Allen & Heath tech support in the UK, and I hope they will reply soon.

I have a feeling this unit is getting returned.

It's too bad. This is an awesome mixer, and I really like the concept. I bought this for use in my home. I don't play gigs out anymore. There just aren't any clubs left... the scene is totally dead. So I purchased this mixer because I still play music at home, and when I have friends over for parties they like to bring vinyl. So I wanted a mixer which could seamless blend my Ableton with their vinyl. And this was supposed to be the one for me.

But if it doesn't work.... well, that is unacceptable.

I hope that the problem is just that I am a moron, and can't configure it properly. Because I don't want to have to send it back. What a pain.

nuperspective · Post by **nuperspective** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:48 am

im gutted for you. its a massive amount of cash to pay for something that doesnt work and your not the only who has had to do this.

wilxon · Post by **wilxon** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:27 pm

robin wrote:From a Dj perspective:

The only hope is that perhaps this becomes the house mixer in every club and bar you are likely to play in which is perhaps a little unlikely. There's no way most DJs will want to lug one of these things around, particularly at the price it is.

Personally I'm just about to purchase a xone 62. I'll control Live from my Faderfox.

Ths is a better setup, use the xone 62, 1 faderfox, and and you will shortly be able to gat a device that listenes to your vinyl and punches the bpm to live for perfect sync.

i have forgotten what this is called so if anone knows please remind me.

i had a debate with allen & heath rep at Music 2006 in london a few months back asking why i would want a xone3d, she replied "you get 106 midi controls on a xone 3d"

I answered yes but you get 240 on each faderfox lv1, i have 2 and still struggle to control everything i want to - even with faders, knobs and buttons which the xone3d has mostly buttons.

which i dont use very much