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As far as I understand it is more or less a copy of Serato Scratch Live....

I have 2 tracks of Live output going out of my fw audiophile into an external mixer. I want to integrate 2 turntables and channels of Torq output into the mixer as well and I don't want to use internal cue or eq for either Live or Torq. I'm assuming Torq can rewire 2 channels. Do I have to run two channels out of Conectiv and 2 seperate ones out of the audiophile? Would I even need the firewire? My mixer has multiple line imputs for each channel so 4 tracks in Live would be sharing 2 channels on my mixer.

musick wrote:As far as I understand it is more or less a copy of Serato Scratch Live....

Actually, it's not a copy of anything... it was written from the ground up (I'm friends with the creator, who also created the Trigger Finger) originally in Max/Msp. I'm actually making some skins for this app which is far easier to do than it is for Live! But once you guys see what this thing can do, especially for the money, you'll be impressed.

I'm not normally into this DJ business, but to have two virtual decks loaded with whatever audio file you want; controlled by either Timecode Vinyl OR Timecode CDs, with it's own built in effects, plus VSTs, plus up to 16 samples loaded, with everything sync-able, pitch-able, midi assignable and rewire-able... sounds pretty killer to me!

genshi wrote:

musick wrote:As far as I understand it is more or less a copy of Serato Scratch Live....

Actually, it's not a copy of anything... it was written from the ground up (I'm friends with the creator, who also created the Trigger Finger) originally in Max/Msp. I'm actually making some skins for this app which is far easier to do than it is for Live! But once you guys see what this thing can do, especially for the money, you'll be impressed.

I'm not normally into this DJ business, but to have two virtual decks loaded with whatever audio file you want; controlled by either Timecode Vinyl OR Timecode CDs, with it's own built in effects, plus VSTs, plus up to 16 samples loaded, with everything sync-able, pitch-able, midi assignable and rewire-able... sounds pretty killer to me!

I agree. Its pretty hot for a 1.0 product.

rob.

but how exactly does this thing let you control audiofiles through timecode vinyL?, could someone give some insight, i don't see anything about it, is it like serattos interface, basicly a sound card that attatches to the mixer with timecode vinyl or does it work some other kind of way?

get mspinky and learn max.

fuck this.

get max and learn mspinky.

this fuck.

If something is marketed to DJs then u can pretty much be assured it's
marketed to people that like orange things and buy everything that comes
out in the hope that it will get them chicks.

Sooooooo much of the industry today is about selling plastic to kids that
collect plastic in the hope of being cool.

To think all those dub guys made that stuff on a couple of $10 tape
machines and an old guitar.

-Ben

stealth1 wrote:

nuperspective wrote:this has got to be some kind of joke. another year and another completely useless dj / software controller.

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3229

just who are the people m-audio and the rest are speaking to when they are designing this shit. wankers!

Totally agree mate. What the f**k are you supposed to do with that?!

Its WANK.

word. its the most useless controller, two friggin knobs. Its not even meant for DJing, no xfader. Some product markets are just better left alone by companies who don't know sh*t about djing!

i mean look at the doof in the video, he cant scratch for beans.

djro wrote:

stealth1 wrote:

nuperspective wrote:this has got to be some kind of joke. another year and another completely useless dj / software controller.

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3229

just who are the people m-audio and the rest are speaking to when they are designing this shit. wankers!

Totally agree mate. What the f**k are you supposed to do with that?!

Its WANK.

word. its the most useless controller, two friggin knobs. Its not even meant for DJing, no xfader. Some product markets are just better left alone by companies who don't know sh*t about djing!

i mean look at the doof in the video, he cant scratch for beans.

you've obviously missed this whole thread. That is NOT a controller, it is simply an audio interface to connect your two turntables and DJ Mixer so you can control the Torq application which, by the way, happens to be a pretty darn good app as far as these type of DJ apps go. That's the whole point of this thing, so before you go spouting off like a _____, why don't you at least try it out and see for yourself if it was better left alone by other companies or not...

I'm just amazed at all the jealousy and mud slinging in this stupid industry. You guys spend more time bashing things and people that you think you are too cool for instead of just making music. Get over it! Either be constructive with your criticism or build something better yourself...

MrYellow wrote:If something is marketed to DJs then u can pretty much be assured it's
marketed to people that like orange things and buy everything that comes
out in the hope that it will get them chicks.

Sooooooo much of the industry today is about selling plastic to kids that
collect plastic in the hope of being cool.

To think all those dub guys made that stuff on a couple of $10 tape
machines and an old guitar.

-Ben

you have to be kidding, right?

rob.

um no..... Sure a lot of DJs are real....

but there is a MASSIVE market in making products for kids to buy.

-Ben

If it was a controller it would be crap.

It isn't though is it! Fancy posting up a thread lambasting something without even reading what it is!!!

I understand it's not a controller. though I think the idea of using a timecode vinyl to scratch your software is about as lame as lame gets. the only thing worse is when I saw this kid scratching at a show and he was actually using a "how to scratch record" record to do his scratching. ughhhh.
novelty is all it is, yes. I'm sure I'd have fun with scratching wav files for at least 15 minutes. but then I would realise that anything that pretends to be a kick ass scratch record when there are no real records involved is just sorry.
the weird thing is kids these days don't even know what vinyl is but they are still trying to immitate them with new scifi gear.
I'm gonna start scratching 8track tapes and then I'm going to make a crazy software controller that imitates what it's like to scratch a real 8track tape and it totally has the perfect feel of a real tape cassette. I'll use the Dudes Creedence.

"dude it was rad, he played the whole show without even changing one record"

Johnisfaster wrote:I understand it's not a controller. though I think the idea of using a timecode vinyl to scratch your software is about as lame as lame gets. the only thing worse is when I saw this kid scratching at a show and he was actually using a "how to scratch record" record to do his scratching. ughhhh.
novelty is all it is, yes. I'm sure I'd have fun with scratching wav files for at least 15 minutes. but then I would realise that anything that pretends to be a kick ass scratch record when there are no real records involved is just sorry.
the weird thing is kids these days don't even know what vinyl is but they are still trying to immitate them with new scifi gear.
I'm gonna start scratching 8track tapes and then I'm going to make a crazy software controller that imitates what it's like to scratch a real 8track tape and it totally has the perfect feel of a real tape cassette. I'll use the Dudes Creedence.

"dude it was rad, he played the whole show without even changing one record"

This is just getting ridicules. You are trying to debate the "purity" of being a scratch DJ, but that's not what Torq is all about. It's simply another creative tool to use in any way you see fit (to create music, to scratch mp3s not available on vinyl, to create sound effects to add later into another composition, etc., etc.)

Get off your high horse and realize there's more to life than just being "a legit scratcher"! This is just another creative tool to add to your tool box that allows another way of opening up creative possibilites. If it's not for you, then don't use it.

If 600 hundred years ago painters said do themselves "I will only use one kind of brush and make my paints by hand from stone and flowers" then they would have limited themselves, but some of them looked for ways to make their life easier so they can get on with getting on canvas what's in their head! And THAT should be the point of any of this. If you have an idea for a new soound or way of creating music and this particular tool does it for you, then use it! What's wrong with that?

MrYellow wrote:um no..... Sure a lot of DJs are real....

but there is a MASSIVE market in making products for kids to buy.

-Ben

I'll let the constant dissing of Djs slide but you really need to realise how uncool electronic dance music is these days.

The kids are buying guitars again.