some features that should take 10 sec to code:

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:15 pm

Meef Chaloin wrote:what the hell is a choke group>?

A collective sexual deviancy practiced at Camp Ableton, you really don't want to know more.

although nowI think of it there is such a thing as choke groups used in samplers to make one voice cut off another, perhaps thats what they named this deviant godless practice after?

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:37 pm

slicing

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:48 pm

Robert Henke wrote: And the development of the video feature had a great side effect: you now can choose an audio clip, set warp markers in it and define this clip as master. it will play completely unalterd but the song tempo will follow to match the warp markers.
Add a MIDI or audio track to a free jazz performance.... yeah....
Robert

Bloody hell!

Thanx for pointing that out Robert, that means it should be possible to record a performance on something like an acoustic instrument, place strategic warpmarkers and have the rest of Live synchronise to the feel of that track, yes?

If that's what you mean, then it opens lots of doors for loads of experimentioso!

Brilliant. I didn't think that I'd have a lot of use for the video track, I guess I was very wrong.

Cheers

M

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:32 pm

Angstrom wrote:
Meef Chaloin wrote:what the hell is a choke group>?
A collective sexual deviancy practiced at Camp Ableton, you really don't want to know more.

although nowI think of it there is such a thing as choke groups used in samplers to make one voice cut off another, perhaps thats what they named this deviant godless practice after?

deva · Post by **deva** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:59 am

Robert Henke wrote:
Silicon/Silicium wrote:... . and that's my point: is it more or less impotant to solve workflow or to spend time on coding a (n another)sampler, adding a video lane? it's opening new ways for live but it also ll impose more time to maintain and date them, more features asking, etc...
/quote]

Well, this is exactly the dillema: with such a huge user base you only can do wrong. Guess how many people were begging us to add video support. For some this feature is very very important. If this would not be in, be assured that there were a thread allready saying that video is a) a must have nowadays and b) not so complicated to realise.

And the development of the video feature had a great side effect: you now can choose an audio clip, set warp markers in it and define this clip as master. it will play completely unalterd but the song tempo will follow to match the warp markers.
Add a MIDI or audio track to a free jazz performance.... yeah....

You might not want to use the video but you will like this if you are into remixing or if you just want to edit non computerised music and still use a beat grid!
Think about this, how much coud this simplify and speed up editing of anykind of music ! Or how could this help doing radio features / commercials.
The more i think of it the more i like this.....

Robert

Thanks for taking the time to post. Having been on your side of the discussion, I know it can feel frustrating to put a lot of work into something, and have many people complain before they have even tried something.

I like the approach you are pointing to in your posts and the overall philosophy.

I would rather have fewer new features but have those features well done, flexible and inviting of creative experimentations. From the explanations, it seems like the racks/device groups are really done right. I feel very enthusiastic about trying the Live6 beta and the day it is for sale for download, I'll be purchasing it.

Taiis · Post by **Taiis** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:27 am

Developers are lazy... that's why it's not there.

I'm an experienced developer and currently working as a project manager for software development.

Developers are lazy, why? because it takes alot of thought to develop things. So they come off as lazy, because they need to rest their minds alot. Basicly it's like saying construction workers are lazy - no - they just need to rest their muscles. So even if something takes a little time to implement, it might take much more time if you don't want a dead developer.

Very few project managers and developers realize this sadly.

rachmanoff · Post by **rachmanoff** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:25 pm

Robert Henke wrote:And the development of the video feature had a great side effect: you now can choose an audio clip, set warp markers in it and define this clip as master. it will play completely unalterd but the song tempo will follow to match the warp markers.
Add a MIDI or audio track to a free jazz performance.... yeah....

You might not want to use the video but you will like this if you are into remixing or if you just want to edit non computerised music and still use a beat grid!
Think about this, how much coud this simplify and speed up editing of anykind of music ! Or how could this help doing radio features / commercials.
The more i think of it the more i like this.....

Robert

yes! best news ever!

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:36 pm

rachmanoff wrote:
Robert Henke wrote:And the development of the video feature had a great side effect: you now can choose an audio clip, set warp markers in it and define this clip as master. it will play completely unalterd but the song tempo will follow to match the warp markers.
Add a MIDI or audio track to a free jazz performance.... yeah....

You might not want to use the video but you will like this if you are into remixing or if you just want to edit non computerised music and still use a beat grid!
Think about this, how much coud this simplify and speed up editing of anykind of music ! Or how could this help doing radio features / commercials.
The more i think of it the more i like this.....

Robert
yes! best news ever!

The magnitude of that idea is kind of slipping under tha radar a bit. This is VERY exciting news, maybe the first time that we can use a true human feel to control programmed music. For me, this is worth the upgrade price alone.

Things like this demonstrate the innovation that makes Ableton so special.

gaspode · Post by **gaspode** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:39 pm

It'll be interesting to see where video development goes from here

glu · Post by **glu** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:45 pm

It makes L6 the new soundtrack swiss army knife while also being a brand new tool for experimentation...to damned cool.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:56 pm

Wow ,this is the most excited i've been yet about a new live feature!

and yeah, i would have totally missed this if Robert hadn't said something. I didn't even look into the video features cause i wasn't really interested in em.

.lm.

rachmanoff · Post by **rachmanoff** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:05 pm

you now can choose an audio clip, set warp markers in it and define this clip as master. it will play completely unalterd but the song tempo will follow to match the warp markers

can any alpha testers out there shed some more light on how this 'inadvertent' mapping works? will we have to embed audio in a quicktime movie in order to tempo map with it, or can you choose any audio clip and define that as 'master'?

also, does defining a clip as 'master' have any other implications?

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:14 pm

We've just been told that there is not much point in discussing details about this subject. Because it's current implementation is the ground layer.
Ableton is still refining this, so that we can do this easily.

But i'm not sure what "this" is yet

rachmanoff · Post by **rachmanoff** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:24 pm

me rikey the sound of that

gaspode · Post by **gaspode** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:27 pm

Ground work... sounds like the potential for an exciting feature may get implemented in traditional ableton style.