(OT) WTC Buildings.
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GaryTracks
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SHoot I forgot to push play again after I went and got popcorn.hoffman2k wrote:When is the rapture due?
Last time i saw fox, they were doing a countdown to armageddon. Are we there yet?
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kennerb wrote:SHoot I forgot to push play again after I went and got popcorn.hoffman2k wrote:When is the rapture due?
Last time i saw fox, they were doing a countdown to armageddon. Are we there yet?
So TIVO delays the rapture?Good thing though. We can fast forward to the good bit
All joking aside. Somebody should burn the 24 hour news networks...
Is it sweeps or something? All about Who can terrorize the viewers more?
"And here's Steven Spielberg with the weather........"
The building was destroyed on purpose after it had severe fire damage. The conspiracy videos show only the intact side of the building - do a google search and you will find images of it from the other side, almost completely damaged. Also, pretty much all the conspiracy videos include the owner of the building saying that they were to "pull" the building. I remember the news on that day reporting that as well.Machinesworking wrote:Not spinning, I realize I have no answers, just questions. Once again, why did a building that did not get hit by a plane go down? It defies physics as I know it. I'm open to reasonable explanations, fires alone are not a reasonable explanation.
Convince me, I'm open, I just don't get it. Same with the passport...
As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle:
Yes, there were four hijacked airliners. Yes, two of them did crash into and eventually cause a collapse of the WTC. Yes, one of them did hit the Pentagon. No bombs, no cruise missile.
However, there is still the question of why the planes were not intercepted much earlier especially since there was lots of intelligence indicating such an attack. Why the president was not put in a secure place right after the very first impact. You don't have to be a conspiracy nut to not trust the official position, all you need to be is someone who asks legitimate questions.
If you really want to watch videos, try this one, he's the only one actually presenting facts:
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid= ... 6145&q=911
Forget "Loose change" or "In plane site", they operate on the same level as your average "we have never been to the moon" or "there are UFOs in Roswell" documentaries.
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glitchrock-buddha
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I think the fact that Larry Silverstein said on National TV that they decided to pull it, is pretty glaring, given that the official report said that it was fire damage internally ignited under ground which caused it to fail. Nothing about pulling.
That right there shows a serious obvious error in the report which could not have been a mistake. Larry Silverstein just would not have said he gave the ok to pull the building, if really it had just fallen down on it's own.
I don't know how people who believe the official story can ignore these questions. And what's worse is they always seem to get angry at those who do point them out.
I don't think you have to be a conspiracy junkie or some "left-wing bleeding heart muslim lover" to wonder how a building falls at free fall speed uncontrolled, or how firefighters could have been putting out a fire supposedly hot enough to melt steel. Or so many travel cancellations from important folk, or put options on american airlines...etc
That right there shows a serious obvious error in the report which could not have been a mistake. Larry Silverstein just would not have said he gave the ok to pull the building, if really it had just fallen down on it's own.
I don't know how people who believe the official story can ignore these questions. And what's worse is they always seem to get angry at those who do point them out.
I don't think you have to be a conspiracy junkie or some "left-wing bleeding heart muslim lover" to wonder how a building falls at free fall speed uncontrolled, or how firefighters could have been putting out a fire supposedly hot enough to melt steel. Or so many travel cancellations from important folk, or put options on american airlines...etc
Professional Shark Jumper.
i would say they have done a good job at covering it up, they have and will get away with it. for all we know the lease holder of the building could have set this up, not saying he did, but gaing 4 billion dollars in insurance money could be considerd a likely motive.
the question is indeed who are the terrorist.
maybe the administration had a hand in it, maybe not, if not they still are evil bastards who have done much worse things than 9-11 since 9-11. they made the call to go into a war of choice based on lies which has caused the death of more americans than those killed on 9-11 and caused the death of thousands and thousands of innocent iraqi and afghani citizens. that is a far worse crime against humanity than a thousand 9-11's put together. so if you don't look into or buy these other stories on 9-11, that's fine stay asleep. but don't for a minute think that this current administration are true americans doing good for the world cause they are not. their agendas are so anti america it is sickening. and it is the old america i speak of, the one that followed the constitution not the new america that practices the ways of old when kings ruled.
below is a picture i made a while back, i thought it was fucked that they have killed at the time almost as many americans in the war they started supposdly because of 9-11 than had died in 9-11. now those numbers are surpased and still counting.
the question is indeed who are the terrorist.
maybe the administration had a hand in it, maybe not, if not they still are evil bastards who have done much worse things than 9-11 since 9-11. they made the call to go into a war of choice based on lies which has caused the death of more americans than those killed on 9-11 and caused the death of thousands and thousands of innocent iraqi and afghani citizens. that is a far worse crime against humanity than a thousand 9-11's put together. so if you don't look into or buy these other stories on 9-11, that's fine stay asleep. but don't for a minute think that this current administration are true americans doing good for the world cause they are not. their agendas are so anti america it is sickening. and it is the old america i speak of, the one that followed the constitution not the new america that practices the ways of old when kings ruled.
below is a picture i made a while back, i thought it was fucked that they have killed at the time almost as many americans in the war they started supposdly because of 9-11 than had died in 9-11. now those numbers are surpased and still counting.
hi, guys .
if you go to the following compilation, fast forword to around 11:15
let's talk about this part.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... demolition
if you go to the following compilation, fast forword to around 11:15
let's talk about this part.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... demolition
I see better than I hear. And all that I know is that there are 3 different surveillance tapes out there on the Pentagon wreck (2 if you discredit the notion that highway traffic safety cameras picked up footage) that have been confiscated, which will probably never see daylight unless there's some huge breach in security where they're held.pilcrow wrote:This stuff is hoo-hah. One of the key points of conspiracy buffs/nuts (nut-buffs?) is that the Pentagon wasn't struck by an airplane. They maintain this notion in the face of tons of physical evidence and eyewitness accounts like the following:
Following are some of the numerous eyewitness accounts of the Pentagon crash:
* Richard Benedetto: "It was an American Airlines airplane, I could see it very clearly."
* Omar Campo, a Salvadorean" "It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane. I was cutting grass and it came in screaming over my head."
* Joseph Candelario: "I noticed a large aircraft flying low towards the White House. This aircraft then made a sharp turn and flew towards the Pentagon and seconds later crashed into it."
* James Cissell: "I saw this plane coming in and it was low - and getting lower. ... Then I saw the faces of some of the passengers on board."
* Dennis Clem: "There was a commercial airliner that said American Airliners over the side of it flying at just above treetop height at full speed headed for the Pentagon."
* Michael Dobbs: "It was an American airlines airliner. I was looking out the window and saw it come right over the Navy annex at a slow angle."
* Penny Elgas: "... the plane was directly over the cars in front of my car .... I remember recognizing it as an American Airlines plane -- I could see the windows and the color stripes."
* Cheryl Hammond: "We saw the big American Airlines plane and started running."
* Joe Harrington: "... one of my guys pointed to an American Airlines airplane 20 feet high over Washington Blvd."
* Albert Hemphill: "The aircraft, look[ed] to be either a 757 or Airbus."
* Terrance Kean: "I saw this very, very large passenger jet. It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon."
* William Lagasse: "It was close enough that I could see the windows and the blinds had been pulled down. I read American Airlines on it. ... I saw the aircraft above my head about 80 feet above the ground."
* Robert Leonard: "I ... saw a large commercial aircraft aiming for the Pentagon."
* Lincoln Liebner: "I saw this large American Airlines passenger jet coming in fast and low."
* Elaine McCusker: "I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating."
* Mitch Mitchell: "I ... saw, coming straight down the road at us, a huge jet plane clearly with American Airlines written on it .... It crossed about 100 feet in front of us and at about 20 feet altitude and we watched it go in. It struck the Pentagon."
* Terry Morin: "The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines."
* Christopher Munsey: "I couldn't believe what I was now seeing to my right: a silver, twin-engine American Airlines jetliner gliding almost noiselessly over the Navy Annex, fast, low and straight toward the Pentagon ...."
* Vin Narayanan: "I looked up to my left and saw an American Airlines jet flying right at me. The jet roared over my head, clearing my car by about 25 feet."
* John O'Keefe: "I don't know whether I saw or heard it first -- this silver plane; I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines jet ...."
* Steve Riskus: "I was close enough (about 100 feet or so) that I could see the ‘American Airlines' logo on the tail as it headed towards the building .... I clearly saw the ‘AA' logo with the eagle in the middle."
* James Ryan: "I see an American Airlines plane, silver plane, I could see AA on the tail. ... The plane was low enough that I could see the windows of the plane. I could see every detail of the plane. In my head I have ingrained forever this image of every detail of that plane. It was a silver plane, American Airlines plane, and I recognized it immediately as a passenger plane."
* Joel Sucherman: "... looking straight ahead there was a jet, what looked to be an American Airlines jet, probably a 757, and it came screaming across the highway ... [and] hit the west side of the Pentagon."
* Donald "Tim" Timmerman, a pilot: "I live on the 16th floor, overlooking the Pentagon ... and so I have quite a panorama. ... It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question."
Mike Walter: "I saw this plane, this jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. ... It went right there and slammed right into the Pentagon. I saw the big ‘AA' on the side."
* Ian Wyatt: "I duck, I look up, it looks like a silver American Airlines, twin-engine plane and then boom."
Finally, The 9/11 Commission Report states that on September 11, air traffic controllers at Washington's Reagan National Airport instructed a C-130H cargo plane that had just taken off from the airport to try to follow the plane that had been spotted on radar as heading toward Washington. According to the report, "The C-130H pilot spotted it, identified it as a Boeing 757, attempted to follow its path, and at 9:39, seconds after impact, reported to the control tower: ‘looks like that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon, sir.'"
In sum, hundreds of people on nearby roads or in nearby buildings saw a large passenger plane hit the Pentagon and, as the above eyewitness testimonies demonstrate, numerous people specifically identified it as an American Airlines plane.
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But the gov't has convinced all these witnesses to lie for the sake of the conspiracy, right?Don't make me laff. Oop! ... too late!
I can type all day, I have 3 arms! I have a dragon on a leash! But you'd rather want to see those things wouldn't you?
Oh, and whereas there's no accounting for the aircraft wings at the Pentagon crash scene, there's no accounting for the tailfin as well, considering that the thing was about 3 stories tall.
