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Finally bought the editor from Dave site, not so fancy but if those psychocrafter cannot manage the most important thing for any enterpreise- get money from willing to pay customer - then i dont trust them for anything else. Waited 10 days sent couple of Emails, tried to call.
DSI took hardly half an hour and I had it.
Editor is OK, makes things easier for sure, I suppose there must be good reason why Dave endorses them and not others. Actually using the combination of soft/hardware is the best,, really speeds up everything

rikhyray wrote:

Finally bought the editor from Dave site, not so fancy but if those psychocrafter cannot manage the most important thing for any enterpreise- get money from willing to pay customer - then i dont trust them for anything else. Waited 10 days sent couple of Emails, tried to call.
DSI took hardly half an hour and I had it.
Editor is OK, makes things easier for sure, I suppose there must be good reason why Dave endorses them and not others. Actually using the combination of soft/hardware is the best,, really speeds up everything

Can any of the parameters of the editor be automated?

Uh, ok then...

Nowhere on the vysen or whatever it's called, site mentions anything like "endorsed by Dave Smith" or anything like that. On top of that, they are planning on doing editors like this for a bunch of the Roland stuff that came out over the course of the last few years. I hardly imagine Roland giving the ok on this...

I'm assuming you work for this company or maybe it is your company. I'd suggest a more cognitive approach and making this generally clearer to understand on the actual website, not in a forum...

Filch wrote:Uh,

No one is getting sued here. The Psicraft team is working closely with Dave Smith on this editor. It is a tool based off the Midi Quest library engine. It offers full editing and library functions.

ALSO......

Since it is running on the Midi Quest 9 engine, it is capable to be ran as a VST instrument in your resident host. Everything you could do with your VST instrument you can do with the Evolver. It does this via the midi port and sysex. Automations, etc... You must pipe the audio into your host of course via the analog outputs.

This allows you to control the evolver as if it were an actual VST instrument, but instead of the audio being generated by a software app, it's acutally generated by the hardware Evolver. It is fancy gui slapped on top a lot of sysex control codes.

This app is useless to you w/o the hardware. IT is NOT a standalone instrument.

Damonv wrote:

rikhyray wrote:

Finally bought the editor from Dave site, not so fancy but if those psychocrafter cannot manage the most important thing for any enterpreise- get money from willing to pay customer - then i dont trust them for anything else. Waited 10 days sent couple of Emails, tried to call.
DSI took hardly half an hour and I had it.
Editor is OK, makes things easier for sure, I suppose there must be good reason why Dave endorses them and not others. Actually using the combination of soft/hardware is the best,, really speeds up everything

Can any of the parameters of the editor be automated?

Yes and no. Evolver 4 track sequencer let you automat lots of things, so editor is just a window to see the "invisible" but the automation is happening inside the Evolver.

thelike5 wrote:Uh, ok then...

Nowhere on the vysen or whatever it's called, site mentions anything like "endorsed by Dave Smith" or anything like that. On top of that, they are planning on doing editors like this for a bunch of the Roland stuff that came out over the course of the last few years. I hardly imagine Roland giving the ok on this...

I'm assuming you work for this company or maybe it is your company. I'd suggest a more cognitive approach and making this generally clearer to understand on the actual website, not in a forum...

So what if it doesn't say "endorsed by Dave Smith" anywhere. No one is getting sued here b/c it's all completely legitimate.
No I don't work for the company. I purchased the editor and I'm now part of the beta, and also the free upgrade to the 2.0 version when it becomes available. Quite throwing around baseless, uninformed assumptions that you just whip up in your angry frenzy. Stop being such a douche.

Hi everyone,

This thread has been brought to my attention by several users of our Vyzor Evolver software (Not necessarily ones who posted here, incidentally).

It seems a few clarifications are in order, so here goes:

1. Psicraft Designs is the developer of both UniQuest Editors and Vyzor Virtualizers. Our website is http://www.psicraft.com and is a good place for news on both product lines. The vyzor.com website is really nothing more than a brochure site right now containing information on products we have actually shipped and advertised, so I apologize if it has been less than informative with regards to Vyzor Evolver, which is still in pre-release.

2. Psicraft's UniQuest and Vyzor titles are powered by Midi Quest technology under license from Sound Quest (www.squest.com). Like SQ's Midi Quest, both UniQuest and Vyzor software operate as stand-alone editor/librarians. Unlike Midi Quest, our UniQuest and Vyzor titles are for a single instruments only (instead of supporting a large instrument list), and feature extremely customized and intuitive GUI designs compared to those that are included with Midi Quest.

3. The main difference between our UniQuest titles and our Vyzor titles has to do with VST plug-in capabilities: Vyzor editors will also run as VSTs, while UniQuest Editors run stand-alone only.

4. Psicraft always clears the use of logos and product likenesses with the manufacturer in question. With regards to Dave Smith in particular, he has been nothing but kind and cooperative with regards to Psicraft's development efforts, even though the Sound Tower editor software was developed at his cost and is a money making product for DSI. If you are wondering why he does this, it is because DSI's real business is selling hardware synths and our Vyzor Evolver editor is bringing more users into this market, not to mention raising the profile of the Evolver line (in a relatively small way compared to Dave's own star-power as the creator of MIDI and designer of the Prophets, of course). Dave Smith is not only an awesome engineer - He's a very sharp businessman as well.

5. Roland Japan more than supports Psicraft's third-party editor support: They also contracted Psicraft to produce UniQuest VC-1, which was shipped as the 'official' editor for the VC-1 D-50 emulation card in 2002. With regards to the rest of the industry, Psicraft now has editor development deals with over five major manufacturers and strategic partnerships in place with a dozen more: Please see the Psicraft website for news on this front as it occurs.

6. Vyzor Evolver was in beta development for two years, and is now completing its 7th month in pre-release. This can be taken two ways, the first of which is to assume the software has technical issues and is not being professionally developed (something I have read once or twice in cynical posts by musicians who have been burned before), while the second (and actual) explanation for the long development period is simply as follows:

a) The Evolver family is a complex product line that consists of four different and highly detailed instruments - Each one is subtly different, and making an single editor application that supports them all fully with interactive display features, that runs on Mac and PC, as a stand-alone and as a plug-in, was a huge undertaking.

b) Psicraft is dedicated to producing as perfect a product as possible. 'By Musicians For Musicians' is our mantra and if any of our team finds an aspect of the program lacking from a musical perspective, we take the time to make it right. This is one of the major perks of being a small privately held company: We can put quality ahead of shipping deadlines, and love to do it.

c) Psicraft's philosophy to software versioning is quite different than traditional software companies. To us, version 1.00 should mean more than 'the deadline hit, so we tied up the loose ends and shipped it'. Instead, we launch our products as discounted pre-release versions and conduct the user feedback like a product design review. If it turns out the software is missing key features for enough of our pre-release users, we'll add these features before declaring the product done, even if this takes a lot more time and effort than we originally budgeted.

6. We did have a problem with our website's activation email generator in the last 10 days, which is why one of the posters to this thread received no response: Fortunately, other interested customers emailed us through our website link when they were not contacted by email within the 10 minutes described on the website. This let us know there was a problem and we not only fixed it, we also streamlined the purchase procedure to a 2-step operation without activation so it can't happen again.

7. Vyzor Evolver works within Ableton Live and other VST hosts by opening the MIDI Ports it requires in parallel to the host. This permits the VST automation of controls within Vyzor that generate and receive SysEx messages via MIDI even if the host itself does not support MIDI.

8. We are currently working to fully certify Ableton Live for use with Vyzor Evolver: This will involve exhaustive integration testing on our part and technical co-operation from Ableton, however. In the meantime, our pre-release users have had success using Vyzor Evolver, but this is not the kind of solid guarantee we would prefer to give prospective new users. Once again, Psicraft will post whatever news we have on this front on our website when it comes up.

All the best,

Tony

The real Dave Smith editor works OK, I am glad i didnt get involved with the psychocraft, their elaborate post makes me even more sceptical about their credibility.
So nothing too fancy, but I am able to make my own presets/templates rather quickly and can see that it will be easy to use them to tweak into real music making.
No doubt, if you have Evolver get the editor.

Hmm; I dont agree; I think the psicraft story is rather trustworthy and he should be complimented on that. Good work! And nice detailed summary of what's going on.
Really hope to get my hands on your editor as soon as possible.
What would be really cool is, if I could map my uc33e via the editor to my evolver; and have all those knobs to work the evolver as well. Dream or possibility?

thelike5 wrote:Uh, ok then...

Nowhere on the vysen or whatever it's called, site mentions anything like "endorsed by Dave Smith" or anything like that. On top of that, they are planning on doing editors like this for a bunch of the Roland stuff that came out over the course of the last few years. I hardly imagine Roland giving the ok on this...

I'm assuming you work for this company or maybe it is your company. I'd suggest a more cognitive approach and making this generally clearer to understand on the actual website, not in a forum...

Editors and librarians have been around for MIDI instruments since the 80s. AFAIK, creating a front-end editor based on published specs {usually found near the end of a MIDI device's manual} requires no special agreement with the manufacturer; indeed, development of those tools was encouraged.

It's "Vyzor". Five easy letters. Of course, if one can't get that little detail right, why should we expect informed assertions from you, or even basic reading comprehension?

markaugust wrote:Hmm; I dont agree; I think the psicraft story is rather trustworthy and he should be complimented on that. Good work! And nice detailed summary of what's going on.

Thanks, Mark. Time will prove you correct on this score.

markaugust wrote: Really hope to get my hands on your editor as soon as possible.

We're looking forward to having you onboard when you are ready.

markaugust wrote: What would be really cool is, if I could map my uc33e via the editor to my evolver; and have all those knobs to work the evolver as well. Dream or possibility?

Once we post the next version (0.98, sometime this week) your dream will become reality: Vyzor Evolver's controls will be configurable to respond to any MIDI CC message as well as the Evolver's front panel knobs. This will provide radical control surface action that is relatively painless to set up in the software.

coooool
just bought it
have some troubles setting up; but I will have to spent some more time on that.
I will get back to you if I dont get it to work

rikhyray wrote:The real Dave Smith editor works OK, I am glad i didnt get involved with the psychocraft, their elaborate post makes me even more sceptical about their credibility.
So nothing too fancy, but I am able to make my own presets/templates rather quickly and can see that it will be easy to use them to tweak into real music making.
No doubt, if you have Evolver get the editor.

I have both of the editors and the Vysor for me is far superior. PSICraft have always responed to questions within the day and usually alot quicker.

I have had it since the first beta release and it has never crashed, the reason I purchased the vysor editor was because the original editor was very unstable.

So basically the guy making these posts is talking absolute rubbish.

Cheers

Andy

whats up with all the fanatics ?...
I hardly think riky is lying about his experience... it is possible that vyzor software is as good as you people say -AND- for whatever reason riky's attempt to purchase went to shit. The guy in charge of web-authoring dropped the ball on this one, not the programmers & bugfixers...

Hi - sorry to come in so late on this one. Yeah, I have the Psicraft editor. It really is an incredibly well designed editor and could be a joy to use. Unfortunately there were just a few omissions for me so I decided to drop it for a while. I can't actually remember what all my issues were but from memory the main killers were:

1. In VST mode (my main reason for buying it) the sequencer clock does not sync with Ableton. Obviously the Evolver sequencer is almost as important as say, a tb303's sequencer. It certainly accounts for a considerable amount of the Evolver's appeal.
2. Sound Recall does not work. I wanted to have the plugin in a track and not have to worry about saving patches, just like other VSTs.

Anyway, 6 months since I dropped it I keep meaning to go back and see how things are progressing. If the two above have been resolved then I would say: if you have a Evo desktop then you MUST get this editor. Otherwise, its usefulness will vary depending on how your work..

If I get answers to the above, ill post back here..

punkdISCO wrote:Hi - sorry to come in so late on this one. Yeah, I have the Psicraft editor. It really is an incredibly well designed editor and could be a joy to use. Unfortunately there were just a few omissions for me so I decided to drop it for a while. I can't actually remember what all my issues were but from memory the main killers were:

1. In VST mode (my main reason for buying it) the sequencer clock does not sync with Ableton. Obviously the Evolver sequencer is almost as important as say, a tb303's sequencer. It certainly accounts for a considerable amount of the Evolver's appeal.
2. Sound Recall does not work. I wanted to have the plugin in a track and not have to worry about saving patches, just like other VSTs.

Anyway, 6 months since I dropped it I keep meaning to go back and see how things are progressing. If the two above have been resolved then I would say: if you have a Evo desktop then you MUST get this editor. Otherwise, its usefulness will vary depending on how your work..

If I get answers to the above, ill post back here..

Thanks so at least I know Iwas lucky it didnt work with the Vysor. Gods are taking good care of me, meanwhile I am getting impression that the psychocraft are some kind psycho religious sect, spamming and chasing me all over internet, my only crime - not buying their software. What is next sending some goons to beat me ?
Dave Smith editor does the job for me rather well, the other one seem to me like Novation SL- great idea but unfinished and buggy - such products are of not much use to me, though might be OK for some.
One or the other, it is worth having editor if you want to use Evolver more intensly, specially the desktop ( to compensate for numerical display)
Pychocraft + your fanboys please kindly leave me alone- I am no more interested in your products.