[ot] - kim jong ill, nuclear at last!

robin · Post by **robin** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:52 am

muscleandhate wrote: That stated, don't be fooled into thinking the US military would have any moral difficulties in issuing a nuclear attack pre-emptively if it was in their best interests. I think it was Rumsfeld that was quoted on saying, despite M.A.D, America would come out better off if it did enter a nuclear war with the Soviet Union. I presume this is because those who make the decisions have the luxury of a nuclear bunker to kick back at after they throw back human development two-thousand years.

Yeah that, and if those in power just keep hinting that it's possible that we could have a nuclear war (even when in reality it will never happen) it keeps those fear levels nice and high and keep the populace nice and pliable and accepting of any massive spending on 'defence' (instead of health and education) and any loss of civil liberties in new laws.

Ah, I think you all get the point I'm making now so I'll leave it there.

djimagine · Post by **djimagine** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:04 am

The threat is very real over here I doubt the British and Russians were shooting at each other? There isn`t a one million man strong army staring the Isles across the straits? And I highly doubt Britons have been kidnapped and held from there familes for 20 odd yrs?

I believe that for most part the second war has been mostly forgetten in europe, but with the current leaders over in Asia most were born during the war with the N.Korea regime like something out of Stalinist Soviet Union.

It is very big indeed no conspiracy BS the pressure is on and the people will want their governments to take action even if that means developing their own nukes for protection.

robin · Post by **robin** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:14 am

djimagine wrote: It is very big indeed no conspiracy BS the pressure is on and the people will want their governments to take action even if that means developing their own nukes for protection.

But why bother? What will that achieve? No-one in this day and age is going to use nuclear weapons. It's all about posturing. The only "real" effect of all this is the blip in the world stock markets.

btw. what I'm talking about is not conspiracy, I'm saying that is how the world is cynically run by "our" leaders. It's all in the open, it's not behind closed doors.

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:57 am

very serious potential for WWIII
such a laughing matter

subterFUSE · Post by **subterFUSE** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:59 am

WWIII has already been going on for years now.

djimagine · Post by **djimagine** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:13 pm

I don`t think it`s world war III unless N. Korea is attacked and China defends it. The problem is the spread of nukes cuz every other countries is threatened by a wacko with a nuke. N. Koreans are doing a great insideous P.R. job talking about feeling threatened it is straight B.S.

All they have been doing for the past 10 plus yrs is extorting their neighbors for money, supplies, and positions like a bunch of gangtsters (gimme the money or I will blast your ass).

A real missile flew over this place just in 1998, spies ships off the coast, the the two armies exchanging fire over the border on Saturday. Brinkmenship for the money. When Bush cut off the illegal funds ole Kim`s fund starting getting low.

As a gangster you got to get the people around you paid and fed (every if our countrymen are starving) to cover your back. Fear and reward is the only thing going for the N. Koreans leader to hold power. Without the money flowing back into his pockets to his cronies he`s a dead man.

So he is threaten the NE Asian countries and the West to extort money again.

the_hoodedclaw · Post by **the_hoodedclaw** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:44 pm

i suppose its a very simplistic view, but things were always going to come to this with a seemingly mentally unhinged president in tehran, a autocrat with short man syndrome in Pyongyang and an idiot in the white house.

How much will america care about north korea, maybe it depends on whether they can find oil there.

but seriously, the US gets it way by frightening its opponents, but Im not convinced that iran or north korea are actually scared of the US.

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:49 pm

the_hoodedclaw wrote:i suppose its a very simplistic view, but things were always going to come to this with a seemingly mentally unhinged president in tehran, a autocrat with short man syndrome in Pyongyang and an idiot in the white house.

How much will america care about north korea, maybe it depends on whether they can find oil there.

but seriously, the US gets it way by frightening its opponents, but Im not convinced that iran or north korea are actually scared of the US.

Bush made it clear N.Korea had some kind of role in the grand scheme of things the day he made that bizarre "axis of evil" comment

the_hoodedclaw · Post by **the_hoodedclaw** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:54 pm

yes he did. but bush also probably thought iraq would be over and done with. My concern is that the UK is not coerced into blindly following any more daft US invasions. Its possible im just really cynical but i dont think bush will attack n.korea, as he has little to gain from it and a lot to lose. I think that of the 'axis' countries, they are probably the ones which action should be taken against but even the currently bewildered republican party hawks must realise that n.korea would be a front too far, would the american public stand for it?

mikemc · Post by **mikemc** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:05 pm

forge wrote:
the_hoodedclaw wrote:i suppose its a very simplistic view, but things were always going to come to this with a seemingly mentally unhinged president in tehran, a autocrat with short man syndrome in Pyongyang and an idiot in the white house.

How much will america care about north korea, maybe it depends on whether they can find oil there.

but seriously, the US gets it way by frightening its opponents, but Im not convinced that iran or north korea are actually scared of the US.
Bush made it clear N.Korea had some kind of role in the grand scheme of things the day he made that bizarre "axis of evil" comment

Someone posted this link in another thread, it is a very interesting documentary. A question is, just because someone we can't trust is exagerrating a threat in order to maintain an illusion of protective control, does that mean that the threat does not exist? Do what extent do we buy into that illusion, to enjoy the protection>

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ares&hl=en

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:10 pm

mikemc wrote:
forge wrote:
the_hoodedclaw wrote:i suppose its a very simplistic view, but things were always going to come to this with a seemingly mentally unhinged president in tehran, a autocrat with short man syndrome in Pyongyang and an idiot in the white house.

How much will america care about north korea, maybe it depends on whether they can find oil there.

but seriously, the US gets it way by frightening its opponents, but Im not convinced that iran or north korea are actually scared of the US.
Bush made it clear N.Korea had some kind of role in the grand scheme of things the day he made that bizarre "axis of evil" comment
Someone posted this link in another thread, it is a very interesting documentary. A question is, just because someone we can't trust is exagerrating a threat in order to maintain an illusion of protective control, does that mean that the threat does not exist? Do what extent do we buy into that illusion, to enjoy the protection>

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ares&hl=en

oh yeah I watched the whole series "power of nightmares" it was good

melocoton · Post by **melocoton** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:55 pm

All of this talk of where the missles can reach is so stupid. If the nukes come out it's all over for all of us.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:08 pm

djimagine wrote:I don`t think it`s world war III unless N. Korea is attacked and China defends it. The problem is the spread of nukes cuz every other countries is threatened by a wacko with a nuke. N. Koreans are doing a great insideous P.R. job talking about feeling threatened it is straight B.S.

All they have been doing for the past 10 plus yrs is extorting their neighbors for money, supplies, and positions like a bunch of gangtsters (gimme the money or I will blast your ass).

A real missile flew over this place just in 1998, spies ships off the coast, the the two armies exchanging fire over the border on Saturday. Brinkmenship for the money. When Bush cut off the illegal funds ole Kim`s fund starting getting low.

As a gangster you got to get the people around you paid and fed (every if our countrymen are starving) to cover your back. Fear and reward is the only thing going for the N. Koreans leader to hold power. Without the money flowing back into his pockets to his cronies he`s a dead man.

So he is threaten the NE Asian countries and the West to extort money again.

exactly what I think.

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:57 pm

real name
Kim Dung Hill

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:04 pm

I get all my news and political views from the Ableton Forums, thanks guys!!

I bet if Speilberg agreed to do a movie for Little Kim, he'd hand over the nukes. Maybe his life story done in an Indiana Jones/Star Wars theme?