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Post by difference » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:47 pm

US soldiers raping and killing iraqi children?

Not a rumour. No need for disguised voices etc. It's a fact. There was a court case recently. Google and you will find the story on CNN, BBC, various newspapers etc from a couple of months ago.
The Guardian, 08/08/2006 wrote: US soldiers, accused of raping and murdering a 14-year-old Iraqi girl, drank alcohol and hit golf balls before the attack. One of them grilled chicken wings afterwards, a criminal investigator told a US military hearing yesterday.
Benjamin Bierce interviewed one of the accused, Specialist James Barker who made a written statement in which he recorded graphic and brutal sexual details of the alleged assault on March 12.

Mr Bierce was testifying on the second day of the hearing to determine whether five soldiers must stand trial for the rape and killing of Abeer Qassim al-Janabi, her parents and five-year-old sister in the town of Mahmudiya.

It is among the worst in a series of cases of alleged misconduct. Specialist Barker's signed statement was submitted in evidence. He is accused, along with Sergeant Paul Cortez, Private Jesse Spielman and Private Bryan Howard of rape and murder. Another soldier, Sergeant Anthony Yribe, is accused of failing to report the attack but is not alleged to have participated.

Former private, Steven Green, was discharged from the army for a "personality disorder" after the incident and was arrested in North Carolina in June on rape and murder charges. He has pleaded not guilty and is being held without bail.

Yesterday, Private Justin Watt testified that Private Howard told him, before the incident, that Private Green, Sergeant Cortez and Specialist Barker had planned to rape a girl, and Private Howard was to be the lookout. Another investigator, Michael Hood, told the hearing that he interviewed Private Spielman, who denied shooting or having sex with anyone. He was given a lie-detector test and passed.

According to Specialist Barker's statement, Private Green not only raped the girl but also shot her and her family after telling his comrades repeatedly he wanted to kill some Iraqis. Mr Bierce said that on the day of the attack, Specialist Barker, Sergeant Cortez, Private Spielman and Private Green had been playing cards and drinking Iraqi whisky mixed with an energy drink. They practised hitting golf balls, Specialist Barker's statement said.

Specialist Barker made it clear Private Green was very persistent about killing some Iraqis. At some point they decided to go to the house of the girl they had seen passing by their checkpoint. Specialist Barker also said that when they arrived at the house, the father and the girl were outside. Private Spielman grabbed the girl while Private Green seized her father and took them into the house.

Private Green took the father, mother and the younger sister into the bedroom, while the girl remained in the living room. Specialist Barker wrote that Sergeant Cortez pushed the girl to the floor, and tore off her underwear. Sergeant Cortez appeared to rape her, according to the statement. Specialist Barker then tried to rape the girl, Mr Bierce said. Suddenly, the group heard gunshots. Private Green came out of the bedroom holding an AK-47 rifle and declared: "They're all dead. I just killed them," the statement said.

Private Green put the gun down, then raped the girl while Sergeant Cortez held her down. Specialist Barker claims Private Green picked up the AK-47 and shot the girl once, paused, then shot her several more times. Specialist Barker said he got a lamp and poured kerosene on the girl. She was set on fire, but he does not say who did it. He does not say if Private Howard or Private Spielman took part in the rape. The statement says he grilled chicken wings back at their checkpoint.

The case has increased demands for changes to an agreement that exempts US soldiers from prosecution in Iraqi courts. Prime minister Nuri al-Maliki has demanded an independent investigation.
So. To recap. 3 american soldiers got drunk and then thought that, for fun, it would be a good idea to go out, gang rape a 14 year old child and then murder her and her family - including her 6 year old sister.

Unfortunately, in the world we live in, this wasn't a major news story and has passed a lot of people by.

after reading that the Bush administration JUST 2 days ago passed those "laws" or whatever they are called basically overriding habeus corpus in any U.S. government activities with "detainees", among other things, I just think it would be wise for me, being an american "citizen" to stay away from being directly associated with any weird shit, especially on the internet. The interpretation of "terrorist" and "enemy combatant" has become so ambiguous and open to any interpretation that the powers that be feel is appropriate....that I hear stories of protesters and critics of the administration having been arrested and "taken away", no shit, by people I would consider to be credible sources.....I have no idea how much truth there is to any of it, but you know you wouldn't want to be caught talking shit on the Nazi's in Nazi Germany!!!!! Who knows what's really going on, it isn't good, that's for sure....



so i decided to take the link down after watching it again and reflecting on it a little more.....do a search on youtube and you'll find it....
Well all is lost already then isn't it. No wonder your fucking government are able to do what the fuck they want with pussy ass motherfuckers like you around.

Wake the fuck up will you!!! You just posted a whole load of reasons why you SHOULD continue publicising the kind of thing that is happening. Yours is supposed to be the greatest free country in the world and you are shitting yourself like a protester in Tienamen square!

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Post by b0unce » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:51 pm

yes, I remember that case as it came out. rape & murder & fried chicken, the american way.

I agree emphatically, we dont need to rely on boobtube videos of questionable authenticity...if one uses those as sources for debate, everything else one says will be called into question. best to rely on the irrefuteable stuff.
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Post by Approach » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:58 pm

b0unce wrote:no, thats not what he's saying.

he's saying its not a good idea to be posting stuff like this in Americas political climate, where the word 'terrorist' is becoming more and more flexible in its interpretation. almost any kind of dissent pertains to terrorism these days, is his point.
and that is why I use my code name when I post in music software forums

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Post by pilcrow » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:00 pm

heh...the headline:

Bush Administration Dragnet Snares Malcontent on Dance Music Web Forum: Posted Link to Video on One of World's Most Popular Websites

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Post by difference » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:03 pm

pilcrow wrote:heh...the headline:

Bush Administration Dragnet Snares Malcontent on Dance Music Web Forum: Posted Link to Video on One of World's Most Popular Websites
I think his point is, that there wouldn't be any headline. The US is moving towards a situation where, Nazi style, they could have secret police take you away without any record of it. You would just have disappeared - no need to be charged with anything, no need for anyone to explain why, no possibility for you to communicate with anyone, no appeal, no lawyer, no record of you being "arrested"...

Scary really but that is the reality the world is facing.

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Post by pilcrow » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:09 pm

difference wrote:
pilcrow wrote:heh...the headline:

Bush Administration Dragnet Snares Malcontent on Dance Music Web Forum: Posted Link to Video on One of World's Most Popular Websites
I think his point is, that there wouldn't be any headline. The US is moving towards a situation where, Nazi style, they could have secret police take you away without any record of it. You would just have disappeared - no need to be charged with anything, no need for anyone to explain why, no possibility for you to communicate with anyone, no appeal, no lawyer, no record of you being "arrested"...

Scary really but that is the reality the world is facing.
My point was that I think that's ridiculous.

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Post by djadonis206 » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:12 pm

pilcrow wrote:
difference wrote:
pilcrow wrote:heh...the headline:

Bush Administration Dragnet Snares Malcontent on Dance Music Web Forum: Posted Link to Video on One of World's Most Popular Websites
I think his point is, that there wouldn't be any headline. The US is moving towards a situation where, Nazi style, they could have secret police take you away without any record of it. You would just have disappeared - no need to be charged with anything, no need for anyone to explain why, no possibility for you to communicate with anyone, no appeal, no lawyer, no record of you being "arrested"...

Scary really but that is the reality the world is facing.
My point was that I think that's ridiculous.
You can either enjoy life or be afraid of living your life

If they're gonna get ya - they're gonna get ya

and there's nothing you can do about it -

just kick it, say what you want to say be who you wanna be...if the governments reading this forum right now then

here's a big MUSLIM MIDDLE FINGER JIHAD

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Post by difference » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:13 pm

pilcrow wrote:
difference wrote:
pilcrow wrote:heh...the headline:

Bush Administration Dragnet Snares Malcontent on Dance Music Web Forum: Posted Link to Video on One of World's Most Popular Websites
I think his point is, that there wouldn't be any headline. The US is moving towards a situation where, Nazi style, they could have secret police take you away without any record of it. You would just have disappeared - no need to be charged with anything, no need for anyone to explain why, no possibility for you to communicate with anyone, no appeal, no lawyer, no record of you being "arrested"...

Scary really but that is the reality the world is facing.
My point was that I think that's ridiculous.
Well yes, I agree, he's being paranoid. at the moment no-one is going to get erased for a post on an internet forum. The problem is however that laws in the US are being changed to allow the government power to do this kind of thing. You think that is OK???

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Post by pilcrow » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:19 pm

difference wrote:
pilcrow wrote:
difference wrote: I think his point is, that there wouldn't be any headline. The US is moving towards a situation where, Nazi style, they could have secret police take you away without any record of it. You would just have disappeared - no need to be charged with anything, no need for anyone to explain why, no possibility for you to communicate with anyone, no appeal, no lawyer, no record of you being "arrested"...

Scary really but that is the reality the world is facing.
My point was that I think that's ridiculous.
Well yes, I agree, he's being paranoid. at the moment no-one is going to get erased for a post on an internet forum. The problem is however that laws in the US are being changed to allow the government power to do this kind of thing. You think that is OK???
I disagree with the premise. The US is not passing laws that would allow them to do this kind of thing.

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Post by Approach » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:21 pm

Oh goody, old fashion book burning parties!

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Post by DeadlyKungFu » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:22 pm

Approach wrote:Oh goody, old fashion book burning parties!
Bring back the bra burnings!!
(no, I'm not that old)

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Post by Approach » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:39 pm

err_eur wrote:
djadonis206 wrote:Sorry, I'm not 18, I can't log in

peace

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mentally and emotionally, you are right, I think.........at least you are aware of it...


if I hadn't seen your Myspace profile, judging by your behavior. iI would have guessed you were about 14 years old.

I hope you never have you go through anything really trying in life, it might wake you up..
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Post by sweetjesus » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:13 pm

pilcrow wrote:I disagree with the premise. The US is not passing laws that would allow them to do this kind of thing.
secret wiretapping ... check
secret prison facilities ... check
patriot act ... check
legal psychological torture .. check

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Post by djadonis206 » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:19 pm

That's all scarey shit - easy

but, really - are any of us a real enemy of the state...

No one among us is that important to any Government Agency in the world...unless of course you were up to know good, and you'd know it if you were, I think

and seriously - if the government is spying on me...I hope they like what they see :wink: or at least like my beats
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Post by b0unce » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:32 pm

djadonis206 wrote:That's all scarey shit - easy

but, really - are any of us a real enemy of the state...

No one among us is that important to any Government Agency in the world...unless of course you were up to know good, and you'd know it if you were, I think

and seriously - if the government is spying on me...I hope they like what they see :wink: or at least like my beats
:lol:

you're certainly not an enemy of the state, you fucking melon head.
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