Ableton Forum

Posted: **Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:37 pm**

wauw i fell for you...

i have my reaktor and massive running, wouldnt do without em at all..

costumer service? never had a need for it...but maybe i will feel like you the day i do...but then again im on a PC...

Posted: **Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:37 pm**

*tug*
*tug*
*tug*

Posted: **Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:56 pm**

Apple is really at fault here. From what I have heard, it is a very difficult transition for a lot of companies to write UBs and it is taking considerable resources. They are putting in a lot of effort (and money) for what makes up a small percentage of the user base.

Apple should be doing more to help these companies make the transition, recognizing that Mac users are a small percentage of the overall market and smaller companies would have difficulty resource wise making the change over.

If Apple wants more people to convert from PC, they need to make sure there is as much software as possible available for their newest computers. So it is in their best interest to make things easier for companies to write programs for Mac.

Posted: **Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:06 pm**

DIgiDennis wrote:but then again im on a PC...

Oh... then you've already got enough to deal with.

Posted: **Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:26 am**

Ableton got the same amount of notice as everyone else, and guess what? They released a UB for a fully featured DAW.

And NI can't release the updater for Traktor 3?

Posted: **Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:48 am**

I often read about the hassles people have with Native Instruments, but I have to say that I have never experienced any problems with them whatsoever. Their support is often criticised, but in my experience they have always helped me out on the few times I have had issues albeit not as fast as I would have liked (though usually within a week), but nevertheless they have always helped when I needed it.

I am not brushing off other people's negative experiences. All I am saying is that me personally have not had any problems with them. In fact all my Native Instrument software runs very smoothly on my Windows PCs and I just LOVE all their products.

By the way, I do not work for Native just in case you think I do.

Posted: **Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:22 am**

Machinesworking wrote: Reality is Apple gave ZERO notice for the introduction of Intel chips, ZERO notice that they would shave SIX MONths off the introduction of the hardware, and NI coded all their mac plugs in CodeWarrior which up until then was just fine. NI aren't the only ones caught off guard, there really are only about half the plug ins on the intel macs right now, period.

heh

apple had been saying in no uncertain terms that xcode was the future MUCH earlier than the intel announcement. they urged developers to move to xcode. there simply wasnt an explanation other than "it'll be better."

sure apple could have made the annoucement earlier...but what if they werent sure? apple did what they could, it's like someone telling you to move a bunch of yourstuff from outside and then comploaining when it gets rained on. you didnt move it, but they couldnt make you.

Posted: **Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:27 am**

i've been reading this thread and must ask, wut's a UB? plus, does anyone know how to automate instruments while using kore? thanks

Posted: **Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:44 am**

anyone else notice the lack of a 't' at the end of the thread title?

Posted: **Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:56 am**

markwily wrote:i've been reading this thread and must ask, wut's a UB? plus, does anyone know how to automate instruments while using kore? thanks

UB is a Universal Binary code version of software.
its needed to run on intel mac's

Not all of the N.I. products work properly on xp or osx yet...
so
UB is a whole new ballgame...

If N.I. addressed these problems with quality customer service,
then my opinion of them would be different.

I wanted Kore for my N.I.Komplete (mainly reaktor)
Now i am going to go the Lemur and use OSC with Reaktor.

Posted: **Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:19 am**

mlehmann wrote:
eyeknow wrote: AMPLITUBE 2.........oooo, sorry.....not ub.......plus I don't want a third dongle.

waves GTR.............ooo, sorry, not covered under my ilok coverage.......so it would be roughly 1500 to get the one waves plug covered and have the plugin........and I'd have no bass..........

line 6.........ooooo, sorry, I don't like that one.........plus once you add the "vst" capability.........it's starting to cost too much.............

ampeg svx..............nope. Like amplitube, it requires another dongle.......and is not UB.....................

what's left?
iZotope Trash. Ok, the GUI is not very guitarist-friendly but with Live6, you can put it in a rack and assign the most important parameters to the macros "knobs"

I always forget about that one..........

I think it's because out of all the computer bassed stuff I've tried, it seems to have the lowest quality delay compensation (or whatever is going on these days)

Sounds good though........

Posted: **Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:24 am**

eyeknow........when did you...... start to type like you were...... William Shatner........ ? ......... it's very odd........ but when I read it in shatner's voice it's very.......... funny.

Posted: **Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:24 am**

Machinesworking wrote:OK, once again, almost half of the MAJOR players in soft synths have NOT gotten all their UB's out yet, Gforce, Arturia, Spectrosonics, AAS, REFX, etc.

Tassman, Moog Modular, Oddiity, etc. the list goes on of companies that have not released UB versions yet. That only say "soon" when asked about a time frame.

The only problem I have with NI is they release a projected dater for completion, and it's really impossible for any company to really know when a complete rewrite of your software will be done. So mac loyalists, who refuse to acknowledge to any degree that it's at all Apple's fault, take issue with NI for simply trying to inform their users when they think they might be done with the port.

Reality is Apple gave ZERO notice for the introduction of Intel chips, ZERO notice that they would shave SIX MONths off the introduction of the hardware, and NI coded all their mac plugs in CodeWarrior which up until then was just fine. NI aren't the only ones caught off guard, there really are only about half the plug ins on the intel macs right now, period.

You guys want to whine and bitch like little kids because NI tried to let you in on the details, but seriously, companies like PSP that don't say anything at all piss me off more. At least I have the impression that NI are working on it.

Not sure why NI are easy targets for the mac crowd, it's getting old though. stability issues really aren't that bad on my machines, and it just seems like hot air.

why are they easy targets? They make themselves that......non of those other companies have changed the release dates 7 times, or said "a few days" or dropped a product from support because it's not "the popular" one when they had promised support.......

OR

give emails from tech support stating something will be fixed soon........more than once.......which the first was a year ago........

It's unheard of. Of course other compainies do crummy things, but nobody slips the sausage like NI........NOBODY

Posted: **Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:25 am**

DeadlyKungFu wrote:eyeknow........when did you...... start to type like you were...... William Shatner........ ? ......... it's very odd........ but when I read it in shatner's voice it's very.......... funny.

heheheehehahahahahahaaha

Posted: **Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:29 am**

I type real fast.........but..............I..............sometimes don't want toooo THINK......about punctuation...........

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God-Damn NI!

UB?

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