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No. You don't.

EDIT: and if you did you wouldn't be asking.

The only people who need logic pro 7 are 12 years old and too smart to play dance revolution all day. No one needs any DAW. I'm not even trying to be philisophical. People work well within boundaries and limitations. I go to school more for limitations in assignments than anything. Your thesis statement must have been phat because it was limited to a few words. Treat your music that way.

There are enough cheap vst's. Work on your creativity. Filter out from the free variety.

You graduate studying under your belt so unless you intend to specialize it mastering, you should be able to appreciate leaving that till later or for someone else who is specialized themselves. Otherwise there is a great chance you wont get anything done.

It's not a cock-measuring test. You don't need to be able to master to produce, and most audio engines sound the same.

EDITX2

Logic is better for mastering out of the box, and for learning the art, but using this logic, it aint got shit on reaktor or max/msp.

EDITX3

Live is more enjoyable and thus I get the most out of it.

Owning a PC and being very much a cross genre musician, I use Cubase SX as my main DAW but Reason and Live rewired or exporting audio files recorded in Live and importing into Cubase is great. Cubase/Logic/Sonar are not great tools for just doing some on the fly composition.

Also there are a lot of extra features for both MIDI and Audio recording in Cubase/Logic that you may require - if your set is mostly loops/beats/electronica then Live is a great tool and while I'm not averse to recording a guitar into Live, I just find it easier and more flexible to do it in Cubase, ditto vocals. I love the offline processing in Cubase (similar to resample in Live) and feel more at home with it's basic effects and mixer. I wouldn't necessarily say Cubase/Logic sound better than Live for mixing/mastering, just that their mixer controls and plugins (esp. Logic) make them my go to for mixdowns/mastering etc as the interface and options are just more intuitive for this purpose. It's hard getting used to Live's little lofi mixer graphics when you're used to a virtual mixer/slider/virtual knobs etc. environment harking back to the days of 4 and 8 track analog tape recording !

Having said all of this, I'm new to Live, so maybe my opinion will change over time. Live's timewarping also knocks Cubase SX into the ground and the creativity/fun factor using Live is immensely more satisfying.

Cubase SX and Cubase 4 both have 2 arpeggiators with many varieties of arpeggiation incidentally. and various other MIDI effects such as Chorder and Autopan.

Using PC means Logic is not available to me (well I'm not going back to version 5 of Logic when it was still labelled as Emagic) but I don't feel discouraged as I am not particularly enamoured with Logic's interface and workflow , just not the right GUI for me, although I certainly admire it's features and plug-ins

For me, Cubase isn't complete without Reason or Live. Even for recording more traditional stuff like Rock, I use the drums and effects from Live and maybe some drums and definately some sounds from Reason's racks. Rewire and exporting audio loops gives you the building blocks to use Cubase/Sonar/Logic/PT etc effectively.

PS - Sorry to keep writing about Cubase but effectively if I were running Logic I would still probably do things the same way...

I use everything, I'm a bad example. I made what I thought was good music with an Ensonique Mirage sampler, and a Mac +. Now I decided to not grow up and stay devoted to music, so I use logic and Live, plus Digital Performer 5.1 (for old songs, and possibly new ones...).......
I don't think there's any right way of doing this. Logic is great for recording songs and mastering them. The plug ins are all either decent or top notch, and you get a ton. you either get the workflow or you do not, some people hate it, I'm into it.

Live is the only one right now that doesn't suck in a live environment, and that's why it's what I'm interested in. If you're not interested in using a laptop on stage, then I really don't see why Live would be the right choice to make, but if you are, then Live first, add things later.

It all comes down to What program makes more sense to you as a tool...

For me it's Live (for the sheer joy and flexibility....+operator) and ProTools (at times...cuz I like how the wavs are handled there).

Logic,Cubase and cakewalk stuff have maybe too many features....? makes it difficult ... 2 Daws mentioned above above are straight shooters...And do the job!!!!

Fuck all the Hataz...use what U like to use even if people bad mouth it...(Some major tracks out there are said to be made in Fruityloops...)the important thing is the End result.... all are versatile enough to make music and are highly developed pieces of software!

Cheers.

My advice is take a week to sample each DAW and then make your choice which one fits your way of working...

LOFA wrote:No. You don't.

EDIT: and if you did you wouldn't be asking.

The only people who need logic pro 7 are 12 years old and too smart to play dance revolution all day. No one needs any DAW. I'm not even trying to be philisophical. People work well within boundaries and limitations. I go to school more for limitations in assignments than anything. Your thesis statement must have been phat because it was limited to a few words. Treat your music that way.

There are enough cheap vst's. Work on your creativity. Filter out from the free variety.

You graduate studying under your belt so unless you intend to specialize it mastering, you should be able to appreciate leaving that till later or for someone else who is specialized themselves. Otherwise there is a great chance you wont get anything done.

It's not a cock-measuring test. You don't need to be able to master to produce, and most audio engines sound the same.

EDITX2

Logic is better for mastering out of the box, and for learning the art, but using this logic, it aint got shit on reaktor or max/msp.

EDITX3

Live is more enjoyable and thus I get the most out of it.

Again depends on what you want to do... musically...

Max is a world on it's own...
BIG UP to all MAX/msp users out there...
I've been doing the tutorials... and have some ideas in my head about stuff to build ...But I just can't get around to doing it... no goddamn time...