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hey man, i don't water down my cre-hate-ivity for anybody.


i'm just calling you out for using the oldest and least valid argument in the book.

we're talking about art, not sales ranking at a real estate agency.

or are we?

see, this is what's scary to me, we are witnessing the death of music for the sake of music. you ain't shit without a video or some stupid ass gimmik these days. it's a shame, and i'm all for hating on that if that's what you want to call it. And i'll call bullshit on anybody who defends it based on "worthington's law" (mr show anybody?)



.lm.

I've seen Diddy spin a house set at The Pawn Shop and Space in Miami during WMC. He didn't embarrass himself and the crowd ate it up.

leisuremuffin wrote:hey man, i don't water down my cre-hate-ivity for anybody.


i'm just calling you out for using the oldest and least valid argument in the book.

we're talking about art, not sales ranking at a real estate agency.

or are we?

see, this is what's scary to me, we are witnessing the death of music for the sake of music. you ain't shit without a video or some stupid ass gimmik these days. it's a shame, and i'm all for hating on that if that's what you want to call it. And i'll call bullshit on anybody who defends it based on "worthington's law" (mr show anybody?)



.lm.

sure lets put money aside

he's been nominated for 9 grammys and won 3 -
he made the guiness book of world records (2000 edition for most #1 rap singles or something like that)
he runs the most successful if not premier record label in hip hop (next to def jam)
he also runs one of the most successful hip hop urban clothing lines on the planet

lets say he hadn't made a dime but managed to accomplish all that in the 37 years he's been on this planet

how close have any of us come to any of these accomplishments?

so money aside...the guys ballin' harder than anyone I know - in real life or the Internet

but you are free to hate so hate on....please

leisuremuffin wrote:hey man, i don't water down my cre-hate-ivity for anybody.

i'm just calling you out for using the oldest and least valid argument in the book.

we're talking about art, not sales ranking at a real estate agency.

or are we?

see, this is what's scary to me, we are witnessing the death of music for the sake of music. you ain't shit without a video or some stupid ass gimmik these days. it's a shame, and i'm all for hating on that if that's what you want to call it. And i'll call bullshit on anybody who defends it based on "worthington's law" (mr show anybody?)

.lm.

To all concerned:

Since leisuremuffin sums up my opinion on this matter 100%, I hereby delegate to him the weight of my opinion for this specific issue.

Therefore, leisuremuffin speaks with twice the authority, conviction and rationality as anybody else on this matter. Having given him my proxy on this matter, I hereby fuck off from this thread with an affirmatory statement: "both Tiesto and Puff Daddy suck so much they deserve each other".

go ahead and triple what LM says then

djadonis206 wrote:I don't buy either one of their music and joke about them often but...

they are ballin' much harder than anyone who has responded to this thread

I respect the fact that they've made something more than a internet forum handle of there lives - know what I'm saying

but hate on...

what fucking difference does that make? id rather be known as a real musician amongst my peers than an 'entertainer' or 'dj' or 'businessman' by millions. nofoolin.exe

For that matter, Celine Dion is commercially successful as well.

in order to get millions of people to like your music you have to create something so completely generic and homogenized that any drivelling idiot can relate to it...
so naturally this thread is about tiesto and puff daddy...
:pukes:

djadonis206 wrote:

leisuremuffin wrote:hey man, i don't water down my cre-hate-ivity for anybody.


i'm just calling you out for using the oldest and least valid argument in the book.

we're talking about art, not sales ranking at a real estate agency.

or are we?

see, this is what's scary to me, we are witnessing the death of music for the sake of music. you ain't shit without a video or some stupid ass gimmik these days. it's a shame, and i'm all for hating on that if that's what you want to call it. And i'll call bullshit on anybody who defends it based on "worthington's law" (mr show anybody?)



.lm.

sure lets put money aside

he's been nominated for 9 grammys and won 3 -
he made the guiness book of world records (2000 edition for most #1 rap singles or something like that)
he runs the most successful if not premier record label in hip hop (next to def jam)
he also runs one of the most successful hip hop urban clothing lines on the planet

lets say he hadn't made a dime but managed to accomplish all that in the 37 years he's been on this planet

how close have any of us come to any of these accomplishments?

so money aside...the guys ballin' harder than anyone I know - in real life or the Internet

but you are free to hate so hate on....please

well when I see you guys winning awards for your "music" remind to be like

"Oh they were right, now this is what a REAL musician sounds like, how could I be so blind."

I don't buy or listen to either of their music, but I respect the fact that they're doing something more with their lives other than hating on people on a internet chat room...

if winning an award put me on the same list as puff daddy or celine dion then i'd have to decline the "honor"

Spiralgroove wrote: seriously... i dont think there could be a lower common denominator for each of their genres...

Why are people so hard on Tiesto. His production is high quality. Have you guys listened to "Parade of Athletes"?! A couple of songs in there blew me away.

teknobryan wrote:

Spiralgroove wrote: seriously... i dont think there could be a lower common denominator for each of their genres...

Why are people so hard on Tiesto.

because he's a tool

Spiralgroove wrote:

teknobryan wrote:

Spiralgroove wrote: seriously... i dont think there could be a lower common denominator for each of their genres...

Why are people so hard on Tiesto.

because he's a tool

Please explain.

Spiralgroove wrote:if winning an award put me on the same list as puff daddy or celine dion then i'd have to decline the "honor"

first you have to make a song that's worthy of an award

Second, you have to actually believe that industry awards have ANYTHING to do with quality.