Can I use my first loop recordng to determine length of rest

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:56 pm

studiesinsound wrote:btw tone deft, bomes does not work on a mac
I am using midistroke, same idea though.

And it doesn't map to mouse movement or clicks, it maps to keyboard strokes, as I think Bomes does as well.

just some minor details.

anyway, still no idea how to encode moving over 1 track into the example from above. if anyone can help please let us know.
thanks.

Yo - I'm just helping, I'm not here to do your homework for you. Goddamn...

studiesinsound · Post by **studiesinsound** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:13 pm

I wasn't trying to be rude. No need for the attitude.
I was trying to help you out so you don't make the same mistake on another thread or something.

Is info a 1 way street with you? WTF?????

Thanks for the attitude.
You seemed like you had some good advice and I was just trying to see if you had som more.

You posted half a solution and then gave me some kind of half assed answer to a valid question and you weren't even paying attention to details.

do your own fuking homework. You said use Bomes, my signature says I'm on a mac. Bomes doesn't work on a mac. I thought I'd clue you in in case you didn't know.

then you say "how do you do it with a mouse" well neither Bomes nor MidiStroke emulate mouse clicks, so that's just plain misinformation, jag bag!!

You do your fucking homework before you try and come back with some lame ass shit.

way to keep it positive and keep the information flow going.
nice one.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:25 pm

Apply liberally, rinse and repeat.

In this case it is a 1 way street, I'm not interested what you're doing, I have my own way of doing this stuff that I figured out years ago, on my own. I'm just tossing around ideas, I enjoy solving puzzles with Live.

Like I already said before in this thread

I wrote:Typically people use 1 FCB button per track, button x records to track x etc.

they don't jump from track to track, but having a handful of tracks set to record on is enough until they jump to the next scene. IOW 4-5 tracks is enough for most people, from Kid Beyond to other people I've seen do this shit.

I don't care that you're on a Mac, take the advice you can get and work with it. So my advice wasn't exact and perfect, suck it. What do you expect? If you want exact answers READ THE FUCKING MANUAL.

Happy fucking monday.

studiesinsound · Post by **studiesinsound** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:37 pm

again, thanks for keeping things positive you jackass.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:44 pm

just because a dude has buck teeth and an attitude you gotta jump all over him...

yeah, it'd be funny to read my monday am posts, lots of laughs

but I can't say this thread has generated a lot of positive vibes, I'm a very sensitive person and I cry easily.

leonard · Post by **leonard** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:00 pm

studiesinsound wrote: maybe I'm missing something but the solution provided of recording that cc info for starting record and launch scene seems great, I just don't see where it records the move over action.

hi, i could be misinterpreting your point but it would seem feasible to use note data stored in the midi clip translated through midistroke to move the cursor left/right. set up a scale in the clip and have each successive note trigger one arrow left/right. i have no experience with your setup but i'm still tossing in ideas.

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:58 pm

search for the mackie control emulation threads, you can easily use a footcontroller to move left/right, up/down between tracks, scenes, to trigger scenes, etc.

BDS · Post by **BDS** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:25 am

studiesinsound -

http://www.charlie-roberts.com might have the trick - controlaid 1.9 - I'm not sure how you'd apply it, but it might be that magic piece of software that makes everything click.

BDS

studiesinsound · Post by **studiesinsound** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:11 pm

thank you everyone for these ideas. Tone Deft included

you have given some things to work with and I'll definitely sit down this week and try them all.

Per Boysen · Post by **Per Boysen** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:43 pm

nowtime wrote:loopy

i sooooo hear you. Repeater-style looping. i don't understand why this isn't more common. it seems to me a software could easily:

1 - record a free-hand loop WITHOUT any metronome
2 - mathematically compute the BPM of the loop (especially for rhythmic loops)
3 - automatically set the host sequencer to that BPM or at least SHOW the number which could be entered manually into the seq

easy?

There are other applications that can do exaclty this:

For Windows I can recommend Moibus http://www.zonemobius.com/, that may also run as a VST plug-in under Live. It's basically an eight track looper, the most atvanced out there at the moment. It does compensate each overdubbed loop layer for the machines latency.

For OS X there is Augustus Loop http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleep ... sloop.html, a tape simulation plug-in more.

If you don't need the looping plug-in to set the master tempo for Live there you can also look into SooperLooper, http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ for OS X, Ångstöm Looper for Windows, LexiconPSP42 for both OS X and WIn and some more...

nolus · Post by **nolus** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:39 pm

it might be worth learning to program PD. I'm pretty sure there is a mac version. If you're interested in going that route I have a couple of example PD patches I could send to you (once you have PD installed) basically I use a continuous controller to select the track and then another set of buttons/controllers that apply to whichever track is selected, eg start, stop, track volume, pan, etc. but it works by midi controller messages rather than key stroke emulation, therfore requires a template live set with the correct ccs assigned to each function.

I've heard that Mackie mode allows something similar but I've not tried it myself.

Per Boysen · Post by **Per Boysen** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:49 pm

nolus wrote:it might be worth learning to program PD. I'm pretty sure there is a mac version. If you're interested in going that route I have a couple of example PD patches I could send to you (once you have PD installed) basically I use a continuous controller to select the track and then another set of buttons/controllers that apply to whichever track is selected, eg start, stop, track volume, pan, etc. but it works by midi controller messages rather than key stroke emulation, therfore requires a template live set with the correct ccs assigned to each function.

I've heard that Mackie mode allows something similar but I've not tried it myself.

Did you read what this thread is about? Are you really saying that this PD patch can record a loop on-the-fly, analyze the tempo from the length of this loop and finally send out a correct tempo as MIDI Clock to Live? That would indeed be awesome!

nolus · Post by **nolus** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:11 pm

Per Boysen wrote:
nolus wrote:it might be worth learning to program PD. I'm pretty sure there is a mac version. If you're interested in going that route I have a couple of example PD patches I could send to you (once you have PD installed) basically I use a continuous controller to select the track and then another set of buttons/controllers that apply to whichever track is selected, eg start, stop, track volume, pan, etc. but it works by midi controller messages rather than key stroke emulation, therfore requires a template live set with the correct ccs assigned to each function.

I've heard that Mackie mode allows something similar but I've not tried it myself.
Did you read what this thread is about? Are you really saying that this PD patch can record a loop on-the-fly, analyze the tempo from the length of this loop and finally send out a correct tempo as MIDI Clock to Live? That would indeed be awesome!

indeed it would !!!

but I was just putting forward an alternative to bomes and whatever for controlling track selection and recording etc.

I did think about trying to get it to set the tempo by measuring the time between the start and stop, but by then you've already recorded your clip at the wrong tempo so it's to late.

I think the only practical way of doing the free tempo thing with live is to assign a footswitch to the tap function.

Per Boysen · Post by **Per Boysen** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:32 pm

indeed it would !!!

Fantastic! If you're interested in checking out a usable feature-set for live looping, read this manual:
http://www.zonemobius.com/mobiusdoc.htm

I was thinking about mocking up something like that in MAX/msp or PD, but gave up when I realized that Mobius is always there. I can pick up Mobius for free and start making music right now instead of having to program my electronic instrument for six months

I did think about trying to get it to set the tempo by measuring the time between the start and stop, but by then you've already recorded your clip at the wrong tempo so it's to late.

No. In that scenario Live would be the sync slave. So whatever tempo you start playing in, as you record the first loop, it wil give the correct tempo - the master tempo that Live has to follow when it catches up, as soon as you close the loop and your recorded audio starts looping back.

nolus · Post by **nolus** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:45 pm

This topic has come up so often now that hopefully someone at Ableton HQ is giving it serious thought.