SSL Duende

peeddrroo · Post by **peeddrroo** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:03 am

JACKAL & HYDE wrote: I have it working in Ableton & Samplitude with 0.0 issues on the same mobo.

is that on Windows?
i have an Asus laptop, so i guess the mobo shouldn't be an issue then.
i plan to daisychain the duende on my fireface400.
i have a ricoh chipset that gave me issues with a FW410. hope that won't be a problem.

JACKAL & HYDE · Post by **JACKAL & HYDE** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:17 am

peeddrroo wrote:
JACKAL & HYDE wrote: I have it working in Ableton & Samplitude with 0.0 issues on the same mobo.
is that on Windows?
i have an Asus laptop, so i guess the mobo shouldn't be an issue then.
i plan to daisychain the duende on my fireface400.
i have a ricoh chipset that gave me issues with a FW410. hope that won't be a problem.

Yes on XP. I dont know about Duende on a laptop. Just like mdb wrote, its real freaky about the Firewire.

Look up laptops etc on thier FAQ..

http://solid-state-logic-en.custhelp.co ... w_search=1

mdb · Post by **mdb** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:21 am

Oh, now i got to install it "right", following the normal directions isnt enough.. Cmon dude, are you kidding me? Look, i wanted to use the damn thing just as much as you want to defend its exsistence.. It just aint ready for the masses. Dont take it personal.

And yes, i did update the firmware to 2.0 before i even used the thing, although i didnt really make it that clear. I meant to imply that i started from the ground up, since i bought a unit that appears to be before they supported PC's.

In any case, i found a TON of people with the same problem on www.mixbuss.com forums and other random audio forums, Same situation... not passing audio even with their "recommended" firewire cards... So im not the only one. Consider yourself a lucky one.

djsynchro · Post by **djsynchro** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:45 pm

I found a music store here that was willing to lend me the Duende if I was interested so I could see if I could get it to work, and I think that would be the best way. make sure you can take it back if it doesn't work!

Anyway, I decided it is to expensive for me for now so instead I got another UAD-1, I now have 2 cards with stuff like the Neve 1073 EQ. Even though the DSP is very old hardware the software sure sounds nice!

darrelldiaz · Post by **darrelldiaz** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:50 pm

"just to clarify

the C200 is SSL's emulation of their 9000 console eq's and buss compressor.

waves SSL is wave's attempt at emulating the 9000.

the C200 however is a bitchin console and SSL got their own sound right.

the Duende uses the code (not hardware) from the C200.

the same code can be found on other hardware platforms: http://www.sydec.be/ (althought SSL did buy these guys out about 18 months ago) but they maintain hardware independence.

so i still think the Duende is a bigass dongle, however it does provide cpu relief that software doesnt cut.

the problem however i think is Ableton's efficiency with 3rd party plugins.

in the past i found i could run more instances of said plugins on other hosts... load up a few serious plugins on the master chain and watch your ableton die."

Sorry SJ, but the bit about the Waves SSL is incorrect. Waves emulates an SSL 4000 console. (BTW, I have both the Waves plugins & the Duende. Both sound amazing, but I too had massive setup problems with Duende on my MacBook. Took a complete reinstall of the OS for the Mac to see it at all and it's SOOO picky about the Firewire connection. It really needs it's own DEDICATED firewire bus. -DD

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:17 pm

darrelldiaz wrote:"just to clarify

the C200 is SSL's emulation of their 9000 console eq's and buss compressor.

waves SSL is wave's attempt at emulating the 9000.

the C200 however is a bitchin console and SSL got their own sound right.

the Duende uses the code (not hardware) from the C200.

the same code can be found on other hardware platforms: http://www.sydec.be/ (althought SSL did buy these guys out about 18 months ago) but they maintain hardware independence.

so i still think the Duende is a bigass dongle, however it does provide cpu relief that software doesnt cut.

the problem however i think is Ableton's efficiency with 3rd party plugins.

in the past i found i could run more instances of said plugins on other hosts... load up a few serious plugins on the master chain and watch your ableton die."

Sorry SJ, but the bit about the Waves SSL is incorrect. Waves emulates an SSL 4000 console. (BTW, I have both the Waves plugins & the Duende. Both sound amazing, but I too had massive setup problems with Duende on my MacBook. Took a complete reinstall of the OS for the Mac to see it at all and it's SOOO picky about the Firewire connection. It really needs it's own
DEDICATED firewire bus. -DD

sorry the waves do emulate the 4000 console eq's and mixbuss compressors and channel strips, my bad.

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:24 pm

JACKAL & HYDE wrote:
peeddrroo wrote:
JACKAL & HYDE wrote: I have it working in Ableton & Samplitude with 0.0 issues on the same mobo.
is that on Windows?
i have an Asus laptop, so i guess the mobo shouldn't be an issue then.
i plan to daisychain the duende on my fireface400.
i have a ricoh chipset that gave me issues with a FW410. hope that won't be a problem.
Yes on XP. I dont know about Duende on a laptop. Just like mdb wrote, its real freaky about the Firewire.

Look up laptops etc on thier FAQ..

http://solid-state-logic-en.custhelp.co ... w_search=1

g'day

ideally id love to own one.. they sound great, but i did have these bugs with both 1.5 and 2.0 version of the OS/firmware.

so you're telling me on a PC, you have never had rendering issues with Ableton Live and the Duende?..

I tried two separate Duende's with the exact same issues...

JACKAL & HYDE · Post by **JACKAL & HYDE** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:36 pm

mdb wrote:Oh, now i got to install it "right", following the normal directions isnt enough.. Cmon dude, are you kidding me? Look, i wanted to use the damn thing just as much as you want to defend its exsistence.. It just aint ready for the masses. Dont take it personal.

And yes, i did update the firmware to 2.0 before i even used the thing, although i didnt really make it that clear. I meant to imply that i started from the ground up, since i bought a unit that appears to be before they supported PC's.

In any case, i found a TON of people with the same problem on www.mixbuss.com forums and other random audio forums, Same situation... not passing audio even with their "recommended" firewire cards... So im not the only one. Consider yourself a lucky one.

Totally not personal.

I'm just telling you.

I had it installed wrong like many of the people over at mixbuss. The only thing that makes me "lucky" is that I had the patients to methodically read the SSL FAQ and remove all its components off my drive and start over so I could RE-install the unit properly. Before I had all the same problems you had, no audio but if you hit bypass you'll hear your audio, ton of latency, etc etc etc all because I had it installed wrong. Once I reinstalled it right (for the first time) the unit was flawless, all 32 channels going no problem, already mixed down about 30 12" singles with the unit.

2p

JACKAL & HYDE · Post by **JACKAL & HYDE** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:39 pm

sweetjesus wrote:
JACKAL & HYDE wrote:
peeddrroo wrote: is that on Windows?
i have an Asus laptop, so i guess the mobo shouldn't be an issue then.
i plan to daisychain the duende on my fireface400.
i have a ricoh chipset that gave me issues with a FW410. hope that won't be a problem.
Yes on XP. I dont know about Duende on a laptop. Just like mdb wrote, its real freaky about the Firewire.

Look up laptops etc on thier FAQ..

http://solid-state-logic-en.custhelp.co ... w_search=1

g'day

ideally id love to own one.. they sound great, but i did have these bugs with both 1.5 and 2.0 version of the OS/firmware.

so you're telling me on a PC, you have never had rendering issues with Ableton Live and the Duende?..

I tried two separate Duende's with the exact same issues...

The only issue I have with Duende in Ableton is that it seems to render in real time like protools or longer. (Which really isnt an issue) Other than that, no issues here.

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:45 pm

JACKAL & HYDE wrote:
sweetjesus wrote:
JACKAL & HYDE wrote: Yes on XP. I dont know about Duende on a laptop. Just like mdb wrote, its real freaky about the Firewire.

Look up laptops etc on thier FAQ..

http://solid-state-logic-en.custhelp.co ... w_search=1

g'day

ideally id love to own one.. they sound great, but i did have these bugs with both 1.5 and 2.0 version of the OS/firmware.

so you're telling me on a PC, you have never had rendering issues with Ableton Live and the Duende?..

I tried two separate Duende's with the exact same issues...

The only issue I have with Duende and Ableton is that it seems to render in real time like protools or longer. (Which really isnt an issue) Other than that, no issues here.

okay that's just outright freaky if you havent had any rendering probs... hopefully itll stay flawless for you

do you use the mono instances of the plugins? i didnt have a chance to get into heavy troubleshooting, but im pretty sure the mono instances (or maybe i have it backwards) of the compressors would not remember their settings when you loaded a project sometimes.

oh another bug i had was that if i cloned a channel with a duende plugin on it, the new channel would either not work or make sound untill i removed the cloned SSL plugin and re-added it.

i wish i could be bothered trialling one again. ill wait till a few more of you guys guinea pig for me

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:47 pm

woops
unfinished post

JACKAL & HYDE · Post by **JACKAL & HYDE** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:50 pm

sweetjesus wrote:
JACKAL & HYDE wrote:
sweetjesus wrote:
g'day

ideally id love to own one.. they sound great, but i did have these bugs with both 1.5 and 2.0 version of the OS/firmware.

so you're telling me on a PC, you have never had rendering issues with Ableton Live and the Duende?..

I tried two separate Duende's with the exact same issues...

The only issue I have with Duende and Ableton is that it seems to render in real time like protools or longer. (Which really isnt an issue) Other than that, no issues here.
okay that's just outright freaky if you havent had any rendering probs... hopefully itll stay flawless for you

do you use the mono instances of the plugins? i didnt have a chance to get into heavy troubleshooting, but im pretty sure the mono instances (or maybe i have it backwards) of the compressors would not remember their settings when you loaded a project sometimes.

oh another bug i had was that if i cloned a channel with a duende plugin on it, the new channel would either not work or make sound untill i removed the cloned SSL plugin and re-added it.

i wish i could be bothered trialling one again. ill wait till a few more of you guys guinea pig for me

Mono strips, Stereo strips and stereo bus comp all working, recalling etc. I dont clone channels in my method but I'll try that to see if what your talking about happens.

mission1 · Post by **mission1** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:11 am

Honestly, the Liquid Mix is stunning but requires great patience to master due to options overload. The Manley Emulations alone are worth it. The SSL emu is pretty darn good too. Universal Audio + Liquid Mix == Ableton EQ Heaven.

This is just my humble opinion, I have both.

roach808 · Post by **roach808** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:17 am

mission1 wrote:Honestly, the Liquid Mix is stunning but requires great patience to master due to options overload. The Manley Emulations alone are worth it. The SSL emu is pretty darn good too. Universal Audio + Liquid Mix == Ableton EQ Heaven.

This is just my humble opinion, I have both.

the Manley Emulations are pretty good, the Avalon emulations are pretty spot on, but i think the SSL emulations aren't as hot as they could be.

In a random interjection for all the Jackal haters out there, seriously when this mofo speaks I do tend to listen. If you haven't heard any of this man's tunes just go dig up some Jackal & Hyde traks. The sound is exstreamly fierce, if thats not enough for you go get some Dynamix II or Industrial Bass Machine traks.

sorry, gotta give shout out to pretty much my musical mentor of sorts.

thelocalhost · Post by **thelocalhost** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:56 am

roach808 wrote:In a random interjection for all the Jackal haters out there, seriously when this mofo speaks I do tend to listen. If you haven't heard any of this man's tunes just go dig up some Jackal & Hyde traks. The sound is exstreamly fierce, if thats not enough for you go get some Dynamix II or Industrial Bass Machine traks.

That Jackal & Hyde character is a real charmer. I am not sure why anyone would dislike him.