OOOH - New stuff from Jazzmutant!

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:06 pm

Angstrom wrote:
Well, we brought you news a few days ago that JazzMutant would be introducing a new product in Frankfurt and here it is. Dexter is a DAW controller - the first multitouch sensor control surface, dedicated to DAW control. Dexter is designed for Cubase, Sonar, LogicPro, Nuendo and Pyramix.
a DAW name missing from this list!

And I thought Andreas was on our side...

ChiDJ · Post by **ChiDJ** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:19 pm

Angstrom wrote:
Well, we brought you news a few days ago that JazzMutant would be introducing a new product in Frankfurt and here it is. Dexter is a DAW controller - the first multitouch sensor control surface, dedicated to DAW control. Dexter is designed for Cubase, Sonar, LogicPro, Nuendo and Pyramix.
a DAW name missing from this list!

LIVE is mentioned further down in the article.

No mention of DP though.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:32 pm

ChiDJ wrote:
Angstrom wrote:
Well, we brought you news a few days ago that JazzMutant would be introducing a new product in Frankfurt and here it is. Dexter is a DAW controller - the first multitouch sensor control surface, dedicated to DAW control. Dexter is designed for Cubase, Sonar, LogicPro, Nuendo and Pyramix.
a DAW name missing from this list!
LIVE is mentioned further down in the article.

No mention of DP though.

really ? I can't see it.

the only live mention is in the sentence

Its breakthrough surround panner provides live monitoring of up to eight ...

that's not Abletonlive, that's live panning.
and Ableton, not mentioned at all.
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4492

anti-banausic · Post by **anti-banausic** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:40 pm

Any pics yet?

The sonicstate article directs you to the jazzmutant website, but there isn't any information there yet?

Best,
AB

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:41 pm

If this is new product and not something that current Lemur owners can run I will be completely put-off by this company.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:16 pm

Yeah, are these just templates for the lemur, or a new hardware unit?

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:39 pm

looks like a new hardware controller to me, guys.....stripped down functionality, and restricted use to supported daws....

its not that surprising ?....some of you have been monitoring Apple's multi-touch patents for months, well over a year - closer to two probably, and as a result have even resisted your desire to purchase a lemur for fear of..........a cheaper one coming out some time later.......and there you'd be, with egg all over your face, while your comrades saved 800 bucks, two years later, on the sexier looking iTouch or fugly as hell behringer BCT3000

in light of those trends it seems like a sensible move to me, if the dexter is indeed a cheaper model. with a big modular beastie like the lemur covering all areas, and the less expensive dexter covering DAW control (and thats all some people want from it).....it seems to me they have everything covered, well....at least it wont be so easy for others to undercut them, if my speculative theory is on-the-ball.

I say 'go jazzmutant!' ...if only for the fact the patent surfers will end up buying a jazzmutant eventually

</speculation>

John Sweet · Post by **John Sweet** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:36 pm

As a Lemur owner, the thing that's sketchy is that the Dexter uses a lot of new objects that none of us know anything about.

There are obviously a ton of things possible with the Lemur that aren't possible with anything else out there not made by Jeff Han, and the Dexter won't be able to do them either. That's great. But I'll be disappointed if these new custom made perfect-for-audio objects that they came up with for Dexter based on the feedback & experiences of Lemur users don't get their corresponding versions added to the Lemur as well.

I don't want to feel like I have to buy a Dexter to go with my Lemur. That would mean that they intentionally withheld features my product is capable of just to boost sales. It would feel like crippleware.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:50 pm

I sincerely hope they dont go down the 'cripple' route. Like the guy who started teaching the villagers how to catch fish, but then shows up one day selling fishfingers and puts a hault to the fishing seminars.

I would hope that the dexter is a budget touch-screen and lemur the big daddy....imo it would be PR (and ultimately business) suicide to give the dexter highly desireable features that existing lemur owners may be pining for.....even the thought of it repulses people...

looking forward to how this pans out.

lots of interesting developments this week

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:05 pm

John Sweet wrote:As a Lemur owner, the thing that's sketchy is that the Dexter uses a lot of new objects that none of us know anything about.

There are obviously a ton of things possible with the Lemur that aren't possible with anything else out there not made by Jeff Han, and the Dexter won't be able to do them either. That's great. But I'll be disappointed if these new custom made perfect-for-audio objects that they came up with for Dexter based on the feedback & experiences of Lemur users don't get their corresponding versions added to the Lemur as well.

I don't want to feel like I have to buy a Dexter to go with my Lemur. That would mean that they intentionally withheld features my product is capable of just to boost sales. It would feel like crippleware.

other than the form factor, there is nothing the lemur can do that jeff hans thing couldnt. i dont see how you could come to that conclusion.

John Sweet · Post by **John Sweet** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:49 pm

Gotta differ with you there, SJ. The Lemur has a fixed set of objects that you choose from & customize. It's a really well designed system, but you gotta figure that if Jeff Han really tackled the idea of a musical performance interface (instead of whoring himself out to the CIA--what a fuckin drag), he'd have a better thing going.

He'd want to redesign the GUI of the host software, rather than have the interface layer between you & the software that the Lemur is designed around.

Anyway, when I was talking about other possibilities on the Lemur, I was thinking of crazy bizness like Machinate's been posting lately, which may or may not be used in music.

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:30 pm

John Sweet wrote:Gotta differ with you there, SJ. The Lemur has a fixed set of objects that you choose from & customize. It's a really well designed system, but you gotta figure that if Jeff Han really tackled the idea of a musical performance interface (instead of whoring himself out to the CIA--what a fuckin drag), he'd have a better thing going.

He'd want to redesign the GUI of the host software, rather than have the interface layer between you & the software that the Lemur is designed around.

Anyway, when I was talking about other possibilities on the Lemur, I was thinking of crazy bizness like Machinate's been posting lately, which may or may not be used in music.

hes the creator of a technology platform and i think that his stuff will pan out a bit different to jazzmutants in the sense that on a technical level, there is nothing that lemur has that cannot be technically replicated, including all the bouncey balls and circles on lines and stuff.

where you see military application, i see:
gestures
dynamic objects with relationships
data linked objects
menus
contextual elements

they just havent been made to look music friendly. im sure jeff could whip up objects like the lemur's with more advanced properties and relationships in no time, but because he hasnt done so doesnt mean its not possible.

id love to see both products come head to head in a consumer package and price.

the only difference between the two are the technology used to make multi touch (lemur uses physical sensors in a grid or something and jeff hans uses a camera sensor picking up the position of your fingers against a sheet of plexiglass) and the computers they run (the lemur has a small cpu with small ram inside but enough to get the job done and jeff's runs of a desktop CPU).

the software is limited by the people making the interfaces. the current challenge lies not in the software, but the hardware.

John Sweet · Post by **John Sweet** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:56 pm

I wasn't imagining a military application, I saw Han admitting to building bombing + surveillance aids for the CIA. It was a massive turnoff for me. Everybody needs to make a buck, but now Han's helping the modern-day Robert McNamaras wage war more efficiently. It's like handing a scope to a sniper. Fuck him for that. Seriously. At least he could pick a different country's military to empower.

And I don't think the real challenge is the hardware, because the hardware will never fail to come around eventually. The challenge is in how to use it. While we're on that subject, I'm really grateful for the work you've posted on "Point."

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:54 am

btw all you Lemur / Dexter heads I spotted this image which kinda answers your quezzers

or perhaps not

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:26 am

same form factor

just limited functionality

why not just make the lemur a little cheaper and then u get ppl who would have gone for either camp...